From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Detecting display/frame capability in an Emacs daemon Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1ev1uchryvm.fsf@LT-MMAUGER.office.techtarget.com> <1361060596.66870.YahooMailNeo@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <87obfiwge8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871ucbh58s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361396204 22006 80.91.229.3 (20 Feb 2013 21:36:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael@mauger.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 22:37:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U8HLZ-0002vJ-WE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:37:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45709 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8HLF-0004GX-Qe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46331) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8HL7-00048b-JI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8HL3-0004q9-7u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:33 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8HL3-0004q5-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:29 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8HL1-0005SH-90; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:27 -0500 In-reply-to: <871ucbh58s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:157222 Archived-At: I think that Emacs should deal with this issue on the more abstract level of resource shared by hosts of varying capability, which is reasonably accurately expressed by "cloud". The term "cloud computing" is not a clear way to refer to that, because it is used for several other things too. Also, "resource" is vague: using files is very different from using printers. A person might want to do both, but we need to keep in mind that they are different issues. > The term "cloud computing" is not a clean abstraction but a > confusion between different and unrelated ways of using the > network. As you just wrote yourself, they're related by use of the network. Yes, but that doesn't make them similar in any significant way. However, "the cloud" makes such sharing far more accessible to both busy users who don't care to shoulder administrative burden of less sophisticated resource-sharing protocols, and unsophisticated users. Perhaps some specific practice has this benefit. What I object to is using the general term "cloud" which lumps it together with other, quite different practices. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call