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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Eli Barzilay <eli@barzilay.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:02:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1SOB26-0006Fh-3w@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3lilgt8hf.fsf@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> (message from Eli Barzilay on Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:13:16 -0400)

    As a (semi-fake) "Schemer", I can say that it's perfectly fine in
    practice too.  It catches real errors.  In analogy to what you wrote a
    few seconds later -- it catches errors that would otherwise get
    papered over.

The benefit of making () and false the same in Lisp is NOT a matter of
suppressing errors.  The benefit is that we can simplify programs by
knowing that () and false are the same.

If these cases happen in Scheme, they are errors.  However, in Lisp it
is very convenient that the empty list also represents false.

Equating () and "" might perhaps give some benefit of simplifying
programs.  You could try looking for places where you could take
advantage of that, to see how much convenience it gives.  But this is
a different matter from avoiding errors.

I tend to think the benefit won't be big, but you can try to show
I'm wrong.

I am not sure there is any benefit to the fact that () is the same as
(intern "nil").

--
Dr Richard Stallman
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-28 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-25  0:24 proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Steve Yegge
2012-04-25  4:45 ` Karl Fogel
2012-04-25  6:28 ` Miles Bader
2012-04-25  6:34   ` Miles Bader
2012-04-25 13:21   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-01 22:01     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2012-04-25  7:53 ` Helmut Eller
2012-04-25  8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-25 14:28   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-25 14:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-25 15:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-25 16:41         ` Miles Bader
2012-04-25 16:45         ` Andreas Schwab
2012-04-25 16:46         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-04-26 21:20         ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-26 22:11           ` Miles Bader
2012-04-26 23:52             ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-27  0:29               ` Miles Bader
2012-04-27  3:20                 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-04-27  3:41                   ` Miles Bader
2012-04-27  3:59                     ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-04-27  4:24                       ` Miles Bader
2012-04-27  8:49                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-04-27 14:23                         ` Nix
2012-04-28  2:07                         ` Better startup error handling (was: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y) Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 12:04                           ` Better startup error handling Nix
2012-04-28 15:16                             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 15:42                               ` David Engster
2012-04-28 15:55                               ` Drew Adams
2012-04-28 19:39                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 17:26                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-30  8:43                           ` Christian Lynbech
2012-04-30  9:18                             ` chad
2012-04-27 16:35                   ` proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Richard Stallman
2012-04-27  1:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-27  1:16             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-27 16:35               ` Richard Stallman
2012-04-28 11:13                 ` Eli Barzilay
2012-04-28 17:02                   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2012-04-28 19:48                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-28 21:56                     ` Eli Barzilay
2012-06-03  3:45                       ` Richard Stallman
2012-04-27  4:17             ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-27  6:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-27 19:05                 ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-27 21:24                   ` Drew Adams
2012-04-28  4:43                     ` Steve Yegge
2012-04-28  6:58                       ` Andreas Schwab
2012-04-29 21:26                   ` Odd formatting (was: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-30  7:48                     ` Odd formatting Steinar Bang
2012-04-30 10:14                       ` Antoine Levitt
2012-04-30 13:27                         ` Nix
2012-04-28  2:02               ` proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Stefan Monnier
2012-04-25 14:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-29 17:00 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-04-29 17:08   ` Drew Adams
2012-04-29 17:29     ` Andreas Röhler
2012-04-29 18:01       ` Drew Adams
2012-04-29 19:51       ` PJ Weisberg

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