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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
Cc: egnartsms@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com,
	Emacs-devel@gnu.org, nix@esperi.org.uk, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	dancol@dancol.org, drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:29:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1RvNW2-0006EZ-Pf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m362fhfjzb.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> (message from Tom Tromey on Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:00:40 -0700)

    RMS> * CL is ugly.  It is not well integrated with the rest of Emacs Lisp.

    The second part seems to me to be a circular argument.  It could be
    better integrated; but it will not be as long as it is not acceptable.

Maybe we are miscommunicating.  The ugliness I am talking about is in
the specs of these functions, not the implementation.  The specs of
the CL functions don't fit in well with Emacs Lisp.  This isn't
something that could be fixed with more work on the code.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-09  6:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-06 14:18 CL package serious deficiencies egnarts-ms
2012-02-06 21:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-06 21:53   ` Drew Adams
2012-02-07  3:02     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-07 12:04       ` egnarts-ms
2012-02-07 17:36         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-08 13:15           ` egnarts-ms
2012-02-08 19:07             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-07 12:29     ` egnarts-ms
2012-02-07 18:43     ` Nix
2012-02-07 19:11       ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-07 19:15         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-02-07 20:54           ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-07 21:03         ` John Wiegley
2012-02-07 21:06         ` Nix
2012-02-07 21:08           ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-07 21:10             ` Nix
2012-02-07 21:12               ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-07 21:23                 ` Nix
2012-02-07 21:29                   ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-07 21:30                     ` Nix
2012-02-07 21:32                   ` Glenn Morris
2012-02-07 21:34                   ` Daniel Colascione
2012-02-07 21:42                     ` Tom Tromey
2012-02-08  1:53                       ` Leo
2012-02-07 22:16                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-02-07 22:19                       ` Nix
2012-02-08 13:28                     ` Richard Stallman
2012-02-08 15:00                       ` Tom Tromey
2012-02-09  6:29                         ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2012-02-09 14:23                           ` Eric Schulte
2012-02-10 15:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2012-02-10 18:36                               ` Tom Tromey
2012-02-10 15:52                             ` Tom Tromey
2012-02-10 16:23                               ` Drew Adams
2012-02-10 16:42                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-09  6:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2012-02-09 13:56                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-10 15:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2012-02-10 18:34                               ` Tom Tromey
2012-02-10 15:48                           ` Tom Tromey
2012-02-10 18:29                             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-08  2:07                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-02-07 22:41               ` Glenn Morris
2012-02-07 23:10                 ` Nix
2012-02-08 13:42                   ` Eric Schulte
2012-02-08 13:46                     ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08 13:51                       ` Eric Schulte
2012-02-08 15:29                         ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08 15:39                           ` Eric Schulte
2012-02-08 15:43                             ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08 14:26                     ` Drew Adams
2012-02-08 13:15         ` Teemu Likonen
2012-02-09  7:33           ` spam- or registry-related things in Gnus need cl at run-time? (was: CL package serious deficiencies) Reiner Steib
2012-02-09 16:39             ` spam- or registry-related things in Gnus need cl at run-time? Teemu Likonen
2012-02-07 23:48       ` CL package serious deficiencies Stefan Monnier
2012-02-07 23:52         ` Nix
2012-02-08  0:10           ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08  0:15             ` Nix
2012-02-08  1:51               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-08 23:43                 ` Nix
2012-02-09 21:34                   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-08  2:13           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-02-08  2:19             ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08  4:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-02-08 11:00                 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08 17:42           ` Richard Stallman
2012-02-08 19:54             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-08  0:38         ` Daniel Colascione
2012-02-08  1:32           ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08  1:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-08  2:26             ` Daniel Colascione
2012-02-08 22:28       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-08 22:32         ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-08 23:35         ` Nix
2012-02-09 19:42           ` Richard Stallman
2012-02-09 19:46             ` Nix
2012-02-10  1:09         ` John Wiegley
2012-02-10 14:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-10 15:08           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-02-10 15:35             ` Drew Adams
2012-02-10 18:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-10 18:21                 ` Drew Adams
2012-02-10 15:24           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-10 18:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-10 18:26               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-10 18:47               ` Johan Bockgård
2012-02-10 17:12           ` Helmut Eller
2012-02-10 18:51             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-10 18:55               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-10 19:08               ` Teemu Likonen
2012-02-11 13:25                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-02-11 16:56                   ` Johan Bockgård
2012-02-11 22:33                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-02-12  4:41                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-12 15:53                   ` Teemu Likonen
2012-02-12 16:52                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-12 16:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-10 23:56               ` Helmut Eller
2012-02-12  4:47                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-12 17:39                   ` Helmut Eller
2012-02-12 18:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-12 18:58                       ` Helmut Eller
2012-02-19 12:52         ` Dimitri Fontaine

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