From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87zkcubbfc.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87r4y6bams.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <4F3198CE.9000900@dancol.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328707762 19398 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 13:29:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnartsms@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, nix@esperi.org.uk, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 14:29:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv7aI-0002ky-HE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:29:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59445 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv7aI-0001nG-01 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv7a8-0001Hb-Il for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:29:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv7Zy-0007rJ-MJ for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:29:08 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv7Zy-0007rD-Km for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:28:58 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv7Zx-0005cG-L7; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:28:57 -0500 In-reply-to: <4F3198CE.9000900@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:34:06 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148355 Archived-At: The latest objection is that dumping CL would Emacs would increase the size of the printed and bound Emacs Lisp Reference Manual from the FSF. I find this objection unconvincing because it applies to _any_ new feature, and I don't think we're against adding new features to Emacs. The point is that it would make the CL functions part of the standard Emacs namespace. That has two problems: * CL is ugly. It is not well integrated with the rest of Emacs Lisp. * We would have to document the CL functions in the manual, which is a big increase in the size. It is not that that is totally intolerable, it's that the benefit is not worth the burden. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/