From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10451: 24.0.92; Bad cross reference in Info manual Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:06 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326013024 1193 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2012 08:57:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10451@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 08 09:57:00 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoYl-00076Q-99 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:56:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58956 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoYk-0005Lw-M0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoYi-0005Lq-E7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoYg-0007CT-RP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:56 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54746) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoYg-0007CP-M0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoYn-0002K9-Gs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:57:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10451 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10451-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10451.13260129788887 (code B ref 10451); Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10451) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2012 08:56:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoY5-0002JI-GS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:52086 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoY3-0002JA-5L for 10451@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjoXu-0001Ad-Ls; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:56:06 -0500 In-reply-to: (drew.adams@oracle.com) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:55533 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 22:40:25 -0800 > > There are a few cross references such as this in the `Info' manual: "see > Overview of Texinfo(texinfo)". The Texinfo manual is not included with > Emacs. These links are thus broken. We also have links to other manuals provided by other projects: Make, glibc, and Aspell, for example. Manuals of other GNU projects do the same; e.g. the Texinfo manuals include references to Emacs. There's nothing we can do about this; avoiding such links would make the manual less useful. A reader does not _have_ to follow every hyperlink she sees, only those she is really interested in. A reader who really is interested in the details of how Info files are generated, will need to install the Texinfo package which brings the manual with it. (You can have it too, a Windows port is available. Drop me a note if you want a URL.) > While it is not absolutely necessary that the links actually work, it > would be far better if the manual used only links that work. In this > case, a different manual could be used - one that is included with > Emacs. Are you suggesting to have some version of Texinfo manual as part of the Emacs package? That sounds like a strange proposal: it would lead to massive duplication of effort or to excessive interdependencies between largely independent projects. Cf. the (still on-going) discussion about "GnuTLS and W32". What could be useful is to enhance info.el to give some indication that a given hyperlink points to a manual that is not available. If this is what your report is about, or if it could be satisfied by such a change, then I agree; otherwise I think we should close this report with no further action.