From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:36:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874nwcu17i.fsf@wanadoo.es> <834nwcr6un.fsf@gnu.org> <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325741827 2571 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 05:37:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:37:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 06:37:03 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rig0c-0002XV-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:37:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43740 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rig0b-0006eD-Ty for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:37:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rig0Y-0006e5-VR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:36:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rig0Y-0005WZ-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:40348) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rig0X-0005WV-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:36:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rig0X-0005lQ-Pv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:36:57 -0500 In-reply-to: <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:16:26 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147315 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:16:26 -0500 > > I think, to get this working, we need a list of critical ELPA packages > that Emacs will check for updates on startup and alert the user to > upgrade. By default that list should be empty on all platforms, except > on W32 it will contain the "gnutls-w32" package. Again, why are we treating MS-Windows specially? Why shouldn't Emacs issue the same alert on GNU and Unix systems, if GnuTLS is found to be unavailable? The fact that several distributions have Emacs depend on GnuTLS does not mean all of them do or will, and let's not forget that even in the year 2012 users can build their own Emacs (without GnuTLS).