From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, lekktu@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Git mirrors
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 04:25:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1RFiVk-0004GB-24@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zkh0ozjz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org)
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:19:28 +0900
> Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>, rms@gnu.org,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Juanma Barranquero writes:
>
> > > In actual practice, I don't think that's true. Witness the complexity
> > > of BzrForEmacsDevs on the Emacs wiki.
> >
> > Complexity? That page is almost sufficient to use Bazaar to develop
> > Emacs. "git help log" is several times longer.
>
> Different purposes; git help provides reference documentation, while
> bzr help is just verbose usage messages. I can tell you that writing
> that BzrForEmacsDevs took not only a lot of reading of "bzr help"
> pages, but also Bazaar website browsing, Googling for other docs, and
> even experimentation with toy repos because the bzr help is horribly
> imprecise and often just plain incomplete.
Bazaar's docs really "need work®", but that doesn't mean git's don't.
In particular, being precise and complete doesn't necessarily mean
being helpful to a casual user. See, for example
http://netsplit.com/2009/02/17/git-sucks/
Try disregarding its obvious exaggeration and disgust, and just _read_
the portions of the man pages reproduced there. I often find myself
in a similar conundrum, even though I never needed to do something as
complex as publish a branch.
> > We can go daily working in Emacs without requiring a huge expertise
> > in bazaar.
>
> That is true for a subset of Emacs developers. But this is
> *obviously* a *proper* subset. For other Emacs developers, their
> daily workflows require a more powerful VCS. Otherwise they would not
> go to the trouble of maintaining multiple personal git and Arch
> repositories, or trying to improve the Savannah git repo for Emacs.
That could well be out of habit, though. Since the semantics and the
effects of most popular bzr commands are subtly different from their
git namesakes, and since the underlying models of the distributed
version control are also subtly different, I can understand how people
who have git wired into their minds and fingers become mad with bzr.
I understand that because I'm mad with git for the same reasons.
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2011-10-06 20:50 Git mirrors Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-06 20:58 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-06 21:16 ` chad
2011-10-06 21:58 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-06 22:05 ` David Reitter
2011-10-07 0:06 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 9:26 ` Julien Danjou
2011-10-09 6:19 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-07 18:43 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-07 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-07 19:31 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-06 22:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-06 22:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-06 23:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-06 23:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-07 0:05 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 0:13 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 0:45 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 1:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-07 15:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-07 16:37 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 18:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-08 8:50 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-10 22:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-10 22:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 0:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 1:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 1:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 1:39 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 1:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 2:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 2:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 3:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 3:25 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 3:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 4:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 13:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-11 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 9:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-11 11:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 4:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-12 9:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 13:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 15:12 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-12 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 15:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:02 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-12 15:32 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-12 16:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 17:19 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-12 18:21 ` Helmut Eller
2011-10-12 18:30 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-12 19:25 ` Helmut Eller
2011-10-13 12:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-12 19:54 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2011-10-12 20:12 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-13 3:21 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-13 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 14:08 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-13 16:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 14:00 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 22:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 23:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-14 1:01 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 2:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-14 3:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 5:22 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-14 12:32 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-14 4:12 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-14 9:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 9:28 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-14 11:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 17:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-17 7:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-10-17 8:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-17 9:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 12:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 12:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-17 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 14:44 ` John Yates
2011-10-17 11:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 15:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 14:10 ` Looming colocation [Was: Git mirrors] Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-17 16:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 19:04 ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-17 18:49 ` Looms and Pipelines (was Re: Git mirrors) Barry Warsaw
2011-10-14 4:50 ` Git mirrors Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-14 9:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 12:29 ` Bastien
2011-10-14 13:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 14:00 ` Bastien
2011-10-14 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-11-29 15:29 ` Bastien
2011-10-17 9:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 16:41 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-17 18:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-17 18:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-17 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-18 10:56 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-18 3:39 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-18 2:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-18 5:13 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-18 10:56 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-14 21:41 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-17 11:25 ` Michael Raitza
2011-10-13 4:55 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-13 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 4:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-12 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 10:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-12 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 21:54 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-11 12:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 19:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 22:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 5:10 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 12:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-11 16:39 ` What about Python? (was: Git mirrors) Barry Fishman
2011-10-11 22:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-11 4:08 ` Git mirrors Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 13:39 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-11 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 15:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 20:13 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-11 21:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 0:32 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 1:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 2:51 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 9:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 14:12 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 18:56 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 19:24 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 1:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 1:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 21:54 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-12 22:18 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 22:48 ` Karl Fogel
2011-10-13 5:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 8:23 ` Bastien
2011-10-13 22:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-14 11:55 ` Bastien
2011-10-13 13:41 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-13 16:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-14 1:03 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-14 13:40 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 22:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-14 3:14 ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-14 5:40 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 12:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-13 0:08 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-13 15:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-13 16:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-13 17:37 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-13 16:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13 17:35 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 14:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-12 18:57 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 20:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 22:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 23:33 ` James Cloos
2011-10-11 23:37 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 8:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 18:58 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 20:32 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 20:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 21:03 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 21:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 20:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 20:56 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 21:05 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 21:09 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 21:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 21:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 22:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 22:35 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 23:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 23:16 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 23:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 23:57 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-13 0:10 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-13 0:14 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-13 0:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-13 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13 8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 22:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 18:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-11 9:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-11 22:02 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-12 1:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-08 9:26 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-08 9:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-07 4:58 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 7:45 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 8:15 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 8:25 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 13:33 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 16:47 ` James Cloos
2011-10-07 20:40 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 17:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07 8:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-07 9:06 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 10:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07 13:19 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 7:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07 7:36 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 8:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-07 8:13 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 9:02 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 10:14 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2011-10-07 17:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07 0:49 ` Leo
2011-10-12 10:05 ` Bastien
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