From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8762k095n4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lissh32y.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh8e286.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3e4gttq.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ehyjrhxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3e2rfte.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318544047 15122 80.91.229.12 (13 Oct 2011 22:14:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Óscar Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 14 00:13:58 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RETXH-0004Tp-Ei for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:13:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48499 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RETXG-0007ie-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33372) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RETXD-0007h2-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RETXC-0002Qh-1Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:51680) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RETXC-0002Qd-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RETX9-00011K-VD; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:47 -0400 In-reply-to: <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> (message from Óscar Fuentes on Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:31:03 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145164 Archived-At: Everything we do here is for political reasons, and it always was. I always thought that Free Software is about the user, always the user. The free software movement campaigns for users' freedom. So you could say it is "about the users' freedom". It would be an error to simplify that into "about the user", because that could be miscontrued as including other benefits even at the expense of freedom. For instance, some users like using Skype; someone might say the GNU system would be "better for users" if it included Skype and made them happy. If we adopted the motto that "free software is about the user", we would be at a loss for how to argue against that proposal. So it is not our goal to give users what they happen to want. Our goal is to give them freedom. Users who don't want freedom can, of course, disregard it. Many do. But if they say, "I don't want freedom, I want Skype", we disregard them. Git isn't proprietary, as Skype is. We're not against git. But we are trying to promote Bzr because it is part of GNU. The most basic way to promote another free program is to use it and recommend it. So that's what we do. Using a free program helps it get better, and Bzr has got better. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/