From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:28:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zkhufvai.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316867384 31727 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2011 12:29:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 24 14:29:40 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RMR-0002Qg-FW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:29:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54867 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RMQ-00054T-VK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:29:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59334) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RMM-0004zt-Oi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:29:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RML-00039q-7r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:29:34 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35621) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RML-00039m-6I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:29:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RMq-0005u4-Sf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:30:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:30:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.131686736222607 (code B ref 9571); Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:30:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2011 12:29:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RMA-0005sa-Bu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:29:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RM7-0005sT-Uf for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:29:20 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7RLW-000056-Ee; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:28:42 -0400 In-reply-to: <87zkhufvai.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Jason Rumney on Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:56:05 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:30:04 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51776 Archived-At: If you can read the relevant scripts, then bidi is not going to confuse you. If you cannot read the scripts, then turning off bidi is not really going to help (probably find-file-literally would be a better option in this case). For people who can read the scripts, simple ordinary use of bidi will make complete sense. Even for people who can't read them, simple ordinary use will cause no confusion. (I can't read Hebrew, but a Hebrew word in an English text won't be any harder to cope with than a few Chinese characters.) But the bidi feature is complex, and complex cases might be confusing to anyone. Especially if the text is the result of some sort of error, and doesn't really make sense at all. These are the cases where I think temporarily disabling reordering could be useful. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/