From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:31:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316781167 26596 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2011 12:32:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 14:32:42 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vq-00047u-1E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:32:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vp-0003e0-9S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vl-0003bZ-KE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:32:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vk-0007WO-4X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:32:37 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vk-0007WB-2k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:32:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74wA-0003ko-0M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.131678113914377 (code B ref 9571); Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2011 12:32:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vS-0003jq-Sm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:32:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74vR-0003jj-I5 for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74uj-0002CK-1I; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:31:33 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 23 Sep 2011 00:13:05 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:33:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51712 Archived-At: "Figure out what's really present" is sufficiently vague that I don't know what is the right way to address this need. find-file-literally is at least as likely to be effective, and in many more cases. find-file-literally disables character set decoding. That means you'd have to manually figure out how the bytes correspond to the characters of the file, or else give a command to decode it. If the confusion has to do with bidi, the feature you want for understanding it is to turn off bidi and nothing else. It has to be easy to do, so why NOT do it? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/