From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:59:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20110911103940.GA3246@acm.acm> <3C4B7E318EB04AE4B7DB9FD0E4C67629@us.oracle.com> <20110911173012.GA3088@acm.acm> <20110912093651.GA3249@acm.acm> <20110913142732.GB3081@acm.acm> <7E2EE144B11D413583E1E659CDE15186@us.oracle.com> <8739g0vyuy.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4E6FF63A.4070604@gmail.com> <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> <874o07m3ay.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <87r539c0qx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ipolb0pc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316699979 20317 80.91.229.12 (22 Sep 2011 13:59:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: md5i@md5i.com, dan.colascione@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, yandros@mit.edu, drew.adams@oracle.com To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 22 15:59:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6joI-0007Hi-Hn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:59:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33283 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6joI-0005Gl-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:59:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44383) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6joB-0005Dj-8d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:59:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6jo5-0003hM-0o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:59:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:35675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6jo4-0003hI-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:59:16 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6jo4-00016h-1Q; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:59:16 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ipolb0pc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144189 Archived-At: Indeed. Guess what? My fingers use isearch as you originally intended; I don't use *any* non-printing characters to invoke isearch- specific commands except C-s, C-r, BKSP, and RET (you missed those last two, I think they have always been available with isearch- specific behavior). RET was originally entered into the search string, and that was quite useful. DEL was the only character that edited the search string, since many programs use DEL to do that. ESC was the original way to explicitly exit without doing anything else. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/