From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316670652 12622 80.91.229.12 (22 Sep 2011 05:50:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 22 07:50:48 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cBM-0003Rr-86 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:50:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36809 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cBL-0004lV-IA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:50:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56500) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cBJ-0004lQ-B8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cBH-0000vI-VC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:50:45 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cBH-0000vE-SN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cBa-0005Kg-Dy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.131667061020435 (code B ref 9571); Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2011 05:50:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cAj-0005JX-7y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:50:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cAh-0005JQ-2e for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:50:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6cAO-00083X-7i; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:49:48 -0400 In-reply-to: (drew.adams@oracle.com) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:51:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51647 Archived-At: tags 9571 + wontfix > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:18:46 -0700 > > Dunno if this is still the latest word, but in the emacs-devel thread > "`C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why?", I was told that > the way for a user to turn off bidi is to set `bidi-display-reordering' > to nil. Since it is buffer-local, that presumably means putting this > in .emacs if you want to turn it off everywhere: > > (setq-default bidi-display-reordering nil) Yes. > 1. That's not very user-friendly. We should have a user option that > does this, i.e., gives users an easy way to disable this feature if they > don't want to use it. No, at least not for now. > 2. I see nothing in the Emacs doc that tells users clearly that if they > want to turn off bidi editing then they should set the default value of > this internal variable to nil. Users should be told this. No. Consistent with the above. > FWIW, I turn it off because both (a) it slows down Emacs (no, I don't > have a test case and I won't be coming up with one) and (b) I have no > need for bidi editing, at least for now. If you don't believe (a), then > at least accept (b): I don't _want_ to use it. Suit yourself, but I see no need to make the bidi display a mode that can be turned on and off. So at least for Emacs 24.1 I'm not gonna fix this.