From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9528: 24.0.50; Info navigation Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87mxe1li9l.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316428693 30505 80.91.229.12 (19 Sep 2011 10:38:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9528@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dani Moncayo Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 19 12:38:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bEl-0003Dq-Am for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:38:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53685 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bEk-0004kj-Pr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:38:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44791) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bEh-0004kM-Gm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bEf-00083K-Ir for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:38:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bEf-00083B-H3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:38:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bJV-0001HL-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:43:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9528 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9528-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9528.13164289284851 (code B ref 9528); Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9528) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2011 10:42:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bId-0001G6-NT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:42:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bIZ-0001Es-8t for 9528@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:42:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5bDi-0004Xf-7n; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:37:02 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Dani Moncayo on Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:20:55 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:43:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51459 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:20:55 +0200 > From: Dani Moncayo > Cc: juri@jurta.org, 9528@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The reason it goes to Functions is because from Macros visited 2 > > nodes: first Functions (it's Prev for Macros, see the header line when > > you are in Macros), and then Related Topics.  So typing l goes back to > > Functions.  Type one more l and you are in Macros. > > > > Note that "C-h l" does not say "the last node _presented_", it says > > "the last node _visited_". > > IMO, users should not care about the underlying implementation, i.e, > in the example below, I have _seen_ only two nodes, so that when I > type `l' in the second one, I'd expect to jump back to the first one. It's not the implementation, it's part of documented behavior of DEL: Scroll one screenful back in Info, considering all nodes as one sequence ---------------------------- -------- IOW, DEL (and SPC) move between nodes of the node tree in the depth-first-search order. And l moves back in the same order. > > Even if the result is unexpected by someone who is not used to Info, I > > think it's Baaad to have Emacs's Info reader behave differently than > > the stand-alone reader. > > That divergence is bad, obviously. But IMO, If the change is > considered good, should be made both in Emacs and the stand-alone > reader. Feel free to suggest this change on the Texinfo mailing list.