From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20110909215255.GD2733@acm.acm> <7002A9DA9A804F0B9F6F251FD3A2B263@us.oracle.com> <20110911103940.GA3246@acm.acm> <3C4B7E318EB04AE4B7DB9FD0E4C67629@us.oracle.com> <20110911173012.GA3088@acm.acm> <20110912093651.GA3249@acm.acm> <20110913142732.GB3081@acm.acm> <7E2EE144B11D413583E1E659CDE15186@us.oracle.com> <8739g0vyuy.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4E6FF63A.4070604@gmail.com> <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316314390 4362 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2011 02:53:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, acm@muc.de, dan.colascione@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 18 04:53:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R57VB-0002iY-3j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 04:53:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39410 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R57VA-0000BJ-Md for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42251) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R57V7-0000BB-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R57V6-0000qQ-Kf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:50826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R57V6-0000q4-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:53:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R57V4-0007OP-UU; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:52:58 -0400 In-reply-to: <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@oracle.com) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144088 Archived-At: That there are many commands bound to keys in Isearch is a plus, not a minus - they are there to make Isearch more useful. Yes, as in Emacs generally, more key bindings can mean more remembering. That's what `C-s C-h' is for. I think you've missed the crucial point about special Isearch commands. With ordinary Emacs commands, if you don't know about them and you never use them, they do not affect you. Thus, there is no drawback to having thousands of them. However, when a control character is special in Isearch and you don't know it, it will bite you. You will type it while in an Isearch, expecting it to have its usual meaning, and it will do something else instead. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/