From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display-buffer-alist simplifications Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87mxgem09k.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2A7EBD.7050300@gmx.at> <87livooqt6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2B158B.1080101@gmx.at> <87wrf8iyse.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2BEED2.5040608@gmx.at> <8739hvu6lh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2C50E6.3020103@gmx.at> <878vrnweju.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2D34D7.4040002@gmx.at> <87r55cjvef.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sjpsnerd.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87d3gvqhkd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874o26rgq6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311844186 20152 80.91.229.12 (28 Jul 2011 09:09:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, rudalics@gmx.at, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 28 11:09:42 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QmMb8-0004lF-8x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:09:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59542 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmMb7-0001KT-KN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60359) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmMb5-0001KL-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:09:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmMb3-0005LR-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:33364) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmMb3-0005LN-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmMb3-0000bY-Jr; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:09:37 -0400 In-reply-to: <874o26rgq6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142441 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:45:21 +0900 > Cc: juri@jurta.org, rudalics@gmx.at, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > A major surgery of one of the Emacs core functionalities, whose > > development was encouraged by the head maintainers and whose merge > > onto the trunk was explicitly sanctioned by them, is no longer an > > ``experiment''. It was an experiment only as long as it was on a > > separate branch. Now it's much more than that. > > I'm sorry you take it that way Not sure why you should be sorry. We simply disagree, that's all. > Rather, *merging onto the trunk* is always an experiment That's exactly the core of our disagreement. When the head maintainers approve a merge, and don't qualify it with something like "let's try", it's not just an experiment. > There's no disrespect toward code *or* maintainers intended, just an > acknowledgement of the fact that we don't know with certainty > whether a particular merge will successfully improve the project > until we try it. No certainty is required. However, some degree of confidence _is_ expected, and if that's not granted, maintainers should review the code, ask questions, try it themselves etc., before they sanction the merge. You will most probably disagree, but that's MO.