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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changing the default for `send-mail-function'
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:38:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1QfYfU-0003cR-3Y@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC=50j-2FuOe6NX--tHXXkyeyxyVN6J3o5_kJYqQ6_R=CNJPPA@mail.gmail.com> (message from Tim Cross on Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:38:54 +1000)

    Your
    suggestion of using make install is unlikely to work though. Most
    emacs users seem to work from pre-built binaries and never run make.

We discussed that issue several days ago.

    While we could then say this is a distro packaging issue, I doubt any
    distros will implement it due to the complexity involved.

Why do you think that the work to be done in a distro would be
complex?

What I have in mind is a single line, in the script to set up the
Emacs package.  This would run a script included in Emacs, the same
script that `make install' would run.  It would be easy for distros to
include this one line.

Heuristics are sufficient for detecting functioning MTAs,
because they don't need to recognize all cases.
If they recognize some cases of functioning MTAs,
they can DTRT in those cases.  In any other cases
which they don't recognize, Emacs will fall back
on the code that asks the user.


Some of the problem cases you mentioned are not our problem.

	 - Misconfigure 'from' address i.e. wrong username or domain. This
    is surprisingly common.

It is not our problem.  A user who overrides the From address
is making himself responsible for whatever goes wrong.  So we
don't need to try to cope with any mistakes he might make.

    Imagine the benefits to many packages
    if there was a standard mechanism that could be used to determine if
    the client should use a local MTA or a remote server and in the case
    of the remote server, provide details, such as server name, port etc.

I agree.  At the system design level, that is the right solution.
sendmail should check this, and if there is no MTA functioning,
it should ask the user to configure to use SMTP.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-09 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-26  9:14 Changing the default for `send-mail-function' Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 10:56   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 11:32     ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-26 11:38       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 12:45         ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-26 12:53           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 14:51         ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-27 20:45         ` Jochen Hein
2011-06-26 12:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 13:08       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 13:42         ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-06-26 17:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 18:58           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30  4:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-30  8:55               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 18:35         ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 19:09           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:50             ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 20:05               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:40                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 20:44                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:07                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:54             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:20           ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 21:29             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:52               ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 22:05                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 22:49                   ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 23:36                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:49                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27  0:57                         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27  9:36                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27  2:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27  3:34                           ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27  4:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27  9:39                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 11:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 11:11                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 12:00                             ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27 16:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28  0:03                                 ` Bill Wohler
2011-06-28  5:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 15:29                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 16:55                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 18:47                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 20:23                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 15:49                                     ` Bill Wohler
2011-06-27  0:03                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:49         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 21:57           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 22:44             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 23:26               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:55                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  0:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27  1:39                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  5:59                   ` Jan Djärv
2011-06-27  7:12                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  8:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 23:21         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-26 23:38           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 13:06             ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-28 15:26               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 10:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-29 10:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-29 11:52                   ` Teemu Likonen
2011-06-29 11:59                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 11:59                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 13:42                     ` Richard Riley
2011-06-30  0:13                       ` Tim Cross
2011-06-30 16:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-30 16:34                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-06-30 21:11                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27  0:10         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  1:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-27 10:32           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:54           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-26 13:39       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 17:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 18:36           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:32         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 20:37           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:40             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  4:20             ` Tim Cross
2011-06-27  5:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 11:07                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:56                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28  1:14                   ` Tim Cross
2011-06-28  1:39                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-28  2:24                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-28 18:11                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-27 13:06               ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-30  3:58               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-01  0:18                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01  0:50                   ` chad
2011-07-01 11:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01  2:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-01 11:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01 12:30                       ` Frank Schmitt
2011-07-02  8:11                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-02 14:21                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-03 12:49                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-04  3:27                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-04 11:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05  0:53                                   ` Tim Cross
2011-07-05 12:45                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 14:11                                       ` Jan Djärv
2011-07-05 21:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 21:43                                           ` Antoine Levitt
2011-07-05 23:28                                             ` chad
2011-07-06  1:54                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-06 14:33                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 19:39                                                 ` chad
2011-07-07  0:34                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07  1:01                                                     ` chad
2011-07-07 16:31                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 22:16                                                         ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-07-08  0:07                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07  1:06                                                     ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07  1:19                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-07  1:28                                                         ` chad
2011-07-07 16:31                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08 23:38                                                             ` chad
2011-07-09 14:38                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-12  3:11                                                                 ` chad
2011-07-07  3:25                                                         ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 16:31                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07  7:14                                                       ` Richard Riley
2011-07-07 15:02                                                         ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 15:17                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-08  0:06                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08  0:47                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-09  1:50                                                             ` Tim Cross
2011-07-10 12:27                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-10 22:25                                                                 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-11 12:53                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-11 13:27                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-11 15:28                                                                     ` Ken Brown
2011-07-11 16:34                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-11 18:42                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2011-08-02 21:32                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2011-08-02 22:09                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-03  0:40                                                                             ` Ken Brown
2011-08-03  1:20                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 15:24                                                                               ` Ken Brown
2011-08-04 20:15                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 21:57                                                                                   ` Ken Brown
2011-08-06  1:56                                                                                     ` Tim Cross
2011-08-06 15:56                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 17:27                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-06 17:34                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 18:33                                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2011-08-06 18:36                                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-08-06 23:20                                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 23:26                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-08-07  0:07                                                                                             ` Tim Cross
2011-08-07  0:28                                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-07  1:34                                                                                                 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-06 23:18                                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-07 16:25                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-29 15:08                                                                                             ` Ken Brown
2011-10-06 19:41                                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07 13:12                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09  6:05                                                                                                   ` Tim Cross
2011-08-03  4:17                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08  0:06                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-09  2:38                                                             ` Tim Cross
2011-07-09 14:38                                                               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2011-07-06 14:32                                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 22:37                                             ` Andreas Rottmann
2011-07-05 14:22                                       ` Per Starbäck
2011-07-05 21:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 14:24                                       ` Antoine Levitt
2011-07-05 21:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 11:11                                       ` Richard Riley
2011-07-08  7:56                                       ` Peter Münster
2011-07-08 18:31                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-12 14:41                                           ` Peter Münster
2011-07-05  8:28                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-05 21:05                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06  1:39                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-03 17:08                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-04  0:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-04  2:49                               ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-27 15:08         ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-27 15:34           ` Julien Danjou
2011-06-27 17:10             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-27 18:56               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 19:54                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28  0:42                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-27 21:03                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-28 15:20                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 23:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-27 19:07               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27 16:17           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 14:57             ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-26 16:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-26 18:45   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:21     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-06-27 11:25 Andrey Paramonov
2011-06-27 11:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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