* `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text @ 2011-07-03 2:59 Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-03 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-03 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-03 2:59 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-devel Hi all. While working on notmuch [1] emacs client, I stumbled upon an unexpected behavior: `beginning-of-visual-line' places point to invisible text in the beginning to the line. I.e. you have: line1 line2 <--- this line is not visible line3 <--- point is on this line in this case, `beginning-of-visual-line' will set the position to start of line2 (which is invisible), not line3. It differs from what `move-beginning-of-line' and even does not match `line-beginning-position'. `beginning-of-visual-line' uses `vertical-motion' to do the job. `goto-line' has a similar behavior. I believe there are more functions like this. This does not look right to me. I expect these functions never set point inside invisible text and there should be some general way to protect from this. But perhaps I am wrong and we have to manually skip all invisible text forward after any point move? Here is a small test to demonstrate the issue: (progn (message "test begin") (switch-to-buffer "test") (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") (goto-line 2) (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) (line-beginning-position 2) 'invisible 'invis1) (goto-line 3) (message "point #1: %s" (point)) (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) (move-beginning-of-line nil) (message "point #2: %s" (point)) (vertical-motion 0) (message "point #3: %s, invisible-p: %s" (point) (invisible-p (point))) (message "test end")) Regards, Dmitry [1] http://notmuchmail.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 2:59 `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-03 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-03 7:31 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-03 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-03 6:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: Dmitry Kurochkin; +Cc: emacs-devel > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 06:59:49 +0400 > > While working on notmuch [1] emacs client, I stumbled upon an unexpected > behavior: `beginning-of-visual-line' places point to invisible text in > the beginning to the line. I.e. you have: > > line1 > line2 <--- this line is not visible > line3 <--- point is on this line > > in this case, `beginning-of-visual-line' will set the position to start > of line2 (which is invisible), not line3. It differs from what > `move-beginning-of-line' and even does not match > `line-beginning-position'. `beginning-of-visual-line' uses > `vertical-motion' to do the job. `goto-line' has a similar behavior. I > believe there are more functions like this. See the node "Invisible Text" in the ELisp manual. Some functions are explicitly programmed to special behavior in the vicinity of invisible text, others aren't. > This does not look right to me. I expect these functions never set > point inside invisible text and there should be some general way to > protect from this. Are you sure you don't mix invisible with intangible? Invisible means just that: not shown on the screen. It doesn't mean point cannot enter the invisible portion. Emacs does try to move point out of invisible range of text, but it does so in its command loop, _after_ the cursor motion functions and the display engine did their job. So your test program just shows that cursor motion has no problem getting into the invisible region, which I think is not a bug. > But perhaps I am wrong and we have to manually skip > all invisible text forward after any point move? Yes. There is something strange in how we behave in this example, though. To see it, modify your test program to make each line's 1st character different from other lines. Then, after the program ends, C-a on the 3rd line and type "C-x =": Emacs says the character at point is the first character of the invisible line 2, which seems wrong, as the display shows line 3. In fact, you cannot place point on the 1st character of line 3: C-b from the 2nd character of line 3 gets you to the 1st character of line 2! I think this happens because the range of invisible characters includes the newline of line 2. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-03 7:31 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-03 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-03 7:31 UTC (permalink / raw To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel Hi Eli. On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:55:31 -0400, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 06:59:49 +0400 > > > > While working on notmuch [1] emacs client, I stumbled upon an unexpected > > behavior: `beginning-of-visual-line' places point to invisible text in > > the beginning to the line. I.e. you have: > > > > line1 > > line2 <--- this line is not visible > > line3 <--- point is on this line > > > > in this case, `beginning-of-visual-line' will set the position to start > > of line2 (which is invisible), not line3. It differs from what > > `move-beginning-of-line' and even does not match > > `line-beginning-position'. `beginning-of-visual-line' uses > > `vertical-motion' to do the job. `goto-line' has a similar behavior. I > > believe there are more functions like this. > > See the node "Invisible Text" in the ELisp manual. Some functions are > explicitly programmed to special behavior in the vicinity of invisible > text, others aren't. > Thanks for the hint. > > This does not look right to me. I expect these functions never set > > point inside invisible text and there should be some general way to > > protect from this. > > Are you sure you don't mix invisible with intangible? Yes, I know invisible is not the same as intangible. > Invisible means > just that: not shown on the screen. It doesn't mean point cannot > enter the invisible portion. Emacs does try to move point out of > invisible range of text, but it does so in its command loop, _after_ > the cursor motion functions and the display engine did their job. I guess that explains why in notmuch (which has multiple lines hidden, i.e. email body) I hit C-a, then M-: "(point)" I get X, then if I do M-: "(point)" again, I get Y. Is there a way to ask Emacs to sync point to visible position, so that I do not have to do it by hand? > So > your test program just shows that cursor motion has no problem getting > into the invisible region, which I think is not a bug. > > > But perhaps I am wrong and we have to manually skip > > all invisible text forward after any point move? > > Yes. > Thanks for your answers. > There is something strange in how we behave in this example, though. > To see it, modify your test program to make each line's 1st character > different from other lines. Then, after the program ends, C-a on the > 3rd line and type "C-x =": Emacs says the character at point is the > first character of the invisible line 2, which seems wrong, as the > display shows line 3. In fact, you cannot place point on the 1st > character of line 3: C-b from the 2nd character of line 3 gets you to > the 1st character of line 2! I think this happens because the range > of invisible characters includes the newline of line 2. Indeed, I did not notice that when testing in notmuch (I guess because there are many lines hidden). `backward-char' steps 1 position as expected. I.e. M-: (progn (backward-char) (point)) works fine. But after that M-: (point) returns another position which corresponds to the beginning of the hidden line. I guess this has to do command loop I know nothing about. IMO Emacs should not touch the point in this case, because it is already visible. Sounds like a bug to me. Regards, Dmitry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 7:31 ` Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-03 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-04 2:08 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-03 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw To: Dmitry Kurochkin; +Cc: emacs-devel > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:31:23 +0400 > > Is there a way to ask Emacs to sync point to visible position, so > that I do not have to do it by hand? Not sure what that means. Can you explain more about what you are looking for? > I.e. M-: (progn (backward-char) (point)) works fine. But after that > M-: (point) returns another position which corresponds to the > beginning of the hidden line. I guess this has to do command loop I > know nothing about. When a command finishes and Emacs is idle (i.e. has nothing else to do), it examines the position of point. If it finds that point is on some character where it shouldn't be, it moves point to the next "suitable" character in the direction of last move. Text where point shouldn't be includes: invisible text, non-base character that belongs to a composed character, and text covered by a "replacing" `display' property. > IMO Emacs should not touch the point in this case, because it is > already visible. Sounds like a bug to me. If no one comes up with a plausible explanation until tomorrow, feel free to submit a bug report. Btw, I just tried past releases, and Emacs 21.4 didn't have this problem, but Emacs 22.3 did. I guess that's a side effect of point adjustment described above, which Emacs 21.4 didn't have: in Emacs 21.4, the cursor stays put for several C-f or C-b commands, as long as point is on invisible text. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 2:08 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-04 2:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:33:54 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:31:23 +0400 > > > > Is there a way to ask Emacs to sync point to visible position, so > > that I do not have to do it by hand? > > Not sure what that means. Can you explain more about what you are > looking for? > I am looking for a function that does something like what you described below. I.e. moves point to the next suitable character in the given direction. At the moment I do it with smth like: ;; if point is invisible, skip forward to visible text (while (invisible-p p) (setq p (next-single-char-property-change p 'invisible))) > > I.e. M-: (progn (backward-char) (point)) works fine. But after that > > M-: (point) returns another position which corresponds to the > > beginning of the hidden line. I guess this has to do command loop I > > know nothing about. > > When a command finishes and Emacs is idle (i.e. has nothing else to > do), it examines the position of point. If it finds that point is on > some character where it shouldn't be, it moves point to the next > "suitable" character in the direction of last move. Text where point > shouldn't be includes: invisible text, non-base character that belongs > to a composed character, and text covered by a "replacing" `display' > property. > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > > IMO Emacs should not touch the point in this case, because it is > > already visible. Sounds like a bug to me. > > If no one comes up with a plausible explanation until tomorrow, feel > free to submit a bug report. > ok > Btw, I just tried past releases, and Emacs 21.4 didn't have this > problem, but Emacs 22.3 did. I guess that's a side effect of point > adjustment described above, which Emacs 21.4 didn't have: in Emacs > 21.4, the cursor stays put for several C-f or C-b commands, as long as > point is on invisible text. I will put a reference in the bug report. Regards, Dmitry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 2:59 `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-03 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-03 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier 2011-07-03 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2011-07-03 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw To: Dmitry Kurochkin; +Cc: emacs-devel > While working on notmuch [1] emacs client, I stumbled upon an unexpected > behavior: `beginning-of-visual-line' places point to invisible text in > the beginning to the line. I.e. you have: > line1 > line2 <--- this line is not visible > line3 <--- point is on this line > in this case, `beginning-of-visual-line' will set the position to start > of line2 (which is invisible), not line3. It differs from what > `move-beginning-of-line' and even does not match > `line-beginning-position'. `beginning-of-visual-line' uses > `vertical-motion' to do the job. `goto-line' has a similar behavior. I > believe there are more functions like this. > This does not look right to me. I expect these functions never set > point inside invisible text and there should be some general way to > protect from this. AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text (remember that point is always between two chars). Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2011-07-03 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-04 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-03 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: dmitry.kurochkin, emacs-devel > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:50:21 -0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't true. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-03 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier 2011-07-04 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2011-07-04 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: dmitry.kurochkin, emacs-devel >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't > true. AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-04 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2011-07-04 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-04 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: dmitry.kurochkin, emacs-devel > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> > Cc: dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:01:10 -0400 > > >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text > > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't > > true. > > AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char > *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not > inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. So how many character positions are invisible after this: (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") (goto-line 2) (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) (line-beginning-position 2) 'invisible 'invis1) ? Also, since we show cursor on the character after point, which is invisible, what exactly do we mean to achieve in this case by adjust_point_for_property? Finally, what do you think of this: (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") (goto-line 2) (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) (line-beginning-position 2) 'invisible 'invis1) (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) (goto-char (point-max))) Eval this in *scratch*, then type "C-p C-x =". You will see that Emacs reports that point is position 8 and the character at point is `b', whereas what is shown (correctly) under the cursor is `c' whose buffer position is 15. Do you think this is correct behavior? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-04 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2011-07-04 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: dmitry.kurochkin, emacs-devel >> >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text >> > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't >> > true. >> AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char >> *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not >> inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. > So how many character positions are invisible after this: > (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") > (goto-line 2) > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > (line-beginning-position 2) > 'invisible 'invis1) > ? Without running the code, I'd say 6 ("line2\n"). Why? > Also, since we show cursor on the character after point, By default, yes. > which is invisible, what exactly do we mean to achieve in this case by > adjust_point_for_property? The intention is just to avoid having point in the middle of invisible text and have things like C-f and C-b appear to do nothing (because they only move within some invisible text chunk). Also it's so that inserting text will usually result in this text being visible (and hopefully inserted right where the cursor was displayed). None of those properties are guaranteed by adjust_point_for_property, sadly, but it's the motivation behind it. > Finally, what do you think of this: > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > (goto-line 2) > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > (line-beginning-position 2) > 'invisible 'invis1) > (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) > (goto-char (point-max))) > Eval this in *scratch*, then type "C-p C-x =". You will see that > Emacs reports that point is position 8 and the character at point is > `b', whereas what is shown (correctly) under the cursor is `c' whose > buffer position is 15. Do you think this is correct behavior? In this area, I don't think there's a clear cut definition of what is correct and what is not. Depending on what is being done some behavior is preferable, and in other cases another behavior is preferable. If point is anywhere between "bline2\n" the display will be identical, so the fact that the cursor is drawn over the "c" that follows it does not necessarily imply that point should be "at the end of "bline2\n", since the cursor is also drawn right after the "aline1\n" and by that logic point should be at the beginning of "bline2\n". What tilts the decision one way rather than the other here is the stickiness: for all positions other than right before "bline2\n", self-insert-command at point will result in an invisible char being inserted, which is very rarely the intention of the user. Of course, in a read-only buffer this consideration may not matter, but note that this stickiness issue also happens to be a way by which Elisp packages can control in which part of the invisible text point will end up. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-04 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-05 2:22 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: dmitry.kurochkin, emacs-devel > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> > Cc: dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:10:11 -0400 > > >> >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text > >> > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't > >> > true. > >> AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char > >> *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not > >> inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. > > > So how many character positions are invisible after this: > > (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") > > (goto-line 2) > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > ? > > Without running the code, I'd say 6 ("line2\n"). Why? Because with your reasoning it's only 5. > > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > > (goto-line 2) > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) > > (goto-char (point-max))) > > > Eval this in *scratch*, then type "C-p C-x =". You will see that > > Emacs reports that point is position 8 and the character at point is > > `b', whereas what is shown (correctly) under the cursor is `c' whose > > buffer position is 15. Do you think this is correct behavior? > > In this area, I don't think there's a clear cut definition of what is > correct and what is not. ??? How could having a cursor on `c' and reporting it on `b' be "correct" by any measure? > If point is anywhere between "bline2\n" the display will be identical, > so the fact that the cursor is drawn over the "c" that follows it does > not necessarily imply that point should be "at the end of "bline2\n", > since the cursor is also drawn right after the "aline1\n" and by that > logic point should be at the beginning of "bline2\n". But what about the fact that you cannot have point at position 15, which is outside the invisible portion? How can that be anything but a bug? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-04 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-05 2:22 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-04 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: dmitry.kurochkin, emacs-devel > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> > Cc: dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:10:11 -0400 > > >> >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text > >> > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't > >> > true. > >> AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char > >> *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not > >> inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. > > > So how many character positions are invisible after this: > > (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") > > (goto-line 2) > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > ? > > Without running the code, I'd say 6 ("line2\n"). Why? Because with your reasoning it's only 5. > > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > > (goto-line 2) > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) > > (goto-char (point-max))) > > > Eval this in *scratch*, then type "C-p C-x =". You will see that > > Emacs reports that point is position 8 and the character at point is > > `b', whereas what is shown (correctly) under the cursor is `c' whose > > buffer position is 15. Do you think this is correct behavior? > > In this area, I don't think there's a clear cut definition of what is > correct and what is not. ??? How could having a cursor on `c' and reporting it on `b' be "correct" by any measure? > If point is anywhere between "bline2\n" the display will be identical, > so the fact that the cursor is drawn over the "c" that follows it does > not necessarily imply that point should be "at the end of "bline2\n", > since the cursor is also drawn right after the "aline1\n" and by that > logic point should be at the beginning of "bline2\n". But what about the fact that you cannot have point at position 15, which is outside the invisible portion? How can that be anything but a bug? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-04 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-04 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-05 2:22 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-05 2:55 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-05 3:52 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-05 2:22 UTC (permalink / raw To: Stefan Monnier, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:10:11 -0400, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > >> >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text > >> > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't > >> > true. > >> AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char > >> *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not > >> inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. > > > So how many character positions are invisible after this: > > (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") > > (goto-line 2) > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > ? > > Without running the code, I'd say 6 ("line2\n"). Why? > > > Also, since we show cursor on the character after point, > > By default, yes. > > > which is invisible, what exactly do we mean to achieve in this case by > > adjust_point_for_property? > > The intention is just to avoid having point in the middle of invisible > text and have things like C-f and C-b appear to do nothing (because > they only move within some invisible text chunk). > Also it's so that inserting text will usually result in this text being > visible (and hopefully inserted right where the cursor was displayed). > > None of those properties are guaranteed by adjust_point_for_property, > sadly, but it's the motivation behind it. > > > Finally, what do you think of this: > > > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > > (goto-line 2) > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) > > (goto-char (point-max))) > > > Eval this in *scratch*, then type "C-p C-x =". You will see that > > Emacs reports that point is position 8 and the character at point is > > `b', whereas what is shown (correctly) under the cursor is `c' whose > > buffer position is 15. Do you think this is correct behavior? > > In this area, I don't think there's a clear cut definition of what is > correct and what is not. Depending on what is being done some behavior > is preferable, and in other cases another behavior is preferable. > If point is anywhere between "bline2\n" the display will be identical, > so the fact that the cursor is drawn over the "c" that follows it does > not necessarily imply that point should be "at the end of "bline2\n", > since the cursor is also drawn right after the "aline1\n" and by that > logic point should be at the beginning of "bline2\n". > > What tilts the decision one way rather than the other here is the > stickiness: for all positions other than right before "bline2\n", > self-insert-command at point will result in an invisible char being > inserted, which is very rarely the intention of the user. Of course, in > a read-only buffer this consideration may not matter, but note that this > stickiness issue also happens to be a way by which Elisp packages can > control in which part of the invisible text point will end up. > That makes sense. Thank you. Perhaps in case of notmuch the best way is to hide the preceding newline character instead of the trailing one. This way there will always be a visible newline between different messages and cursor-moving functions (e.g. `vertical-motion') should not move beyond it. Still looking for an answer to the following question earlier in this thread: I am looking for a function that does something like what you described below. I.e. moves point to the next suitable character in the given direction. At the moment I do it with smth like: ;; if point is invisible, skip forward to visible text (while (invisible-p p) (setq p (next-single-char-property-change p 'invisible))) Regards, Dmitry > > Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-05 2:22 ` Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-05 2:55 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-05 3:52 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-05 2:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: Dmitry Kurochkin; +Cc: monnier, emacs-devel > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 06:22:56 +0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Still looking for an answer to the following question earlier in this > thread: > > I am looking for a function that does something like what you described > below. I.e. moves point to the next suitable character in the given > direction. At the moment I do it with smth like: > > ;; if point is invisible, skip forward to visible text > (while (invisible-p p) > (setq p (next-single-char-property-change p 'invisible))) I think your code is the right way. I don't think anything ready-to-use exists. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-05 2:22 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-05 2:55 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-05 3:52 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 2011-07-05 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-05 3:52 UTC (permalink / raw To: Stefan Monnier, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 06:22:56 +0400, Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:10:11 -0400, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > > >> >> AFAIK none of those positions are *inside* invisible text > > >> > Try "M-x describe-text-properties RET", and you will see this isn't > > >> > true. > > >> AFAIK, describe-text-properties describes the properties of the char > > >> *after* point, so if you're at the beginning of invisible text (yet not > > >> inside it), describe-text-properties will show the `invisible' property. > > > > > So how many character positions are invisible after this: > > > (insert "line1\nline2\nline3\n") > > > (goto-line 2) > > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > > ? > > > > Without running the code, I'd say 6 ("line2\n"). Why? > > > > > Also, since we show cursor on the character after point, > > > > By default, yes. > > > > > which is invisible, what exactly do we mean to achieve in this case by > > > adjust_point_for_property? > > > > The intention is just to avoid having point in the middle of invisible > > text and have things like C-f and C-b appear to do nothing (because > > they only move within some invisible text chunk). > > Also it's so that inserting text will usually result in this text being > > visible (and hopefully inserted right where the cursor was displayed). > > > > None of those properties are guaranteed by adjust_point_for_property, > > sadly, but it's the motivation behind it. > > > > > Finally, what do you think of this: > > > > > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > > > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > > > (goto-line 2) > > > (put-text-property (line-beginning-position) > > > (line-beginning-position 2) > > > 'invisible 'invis1) > > > (add-to-invisibility-spec 'invis1) > > > (goto-char (point-max))) > > > > > Eval this in *scratch*, then type "C-p C-x =". You will see that > > > Emacs reports that point is position 8 and the character at point is > > > `b', whereas what is shown (correctly) under the cursor is `c' whose > > > buffer position is 15. Do you think this is correct behavior? > > > > In this area, I don't think there's a clear cut definition of what is > > correct and what is not. Depending on what is being done some behavior > > is preferable, and in other cases another behavior is preferable. > > If point is anywhere between "bline2\n" the display will be identical, > > so the fact that the cursor is drawn over the "c" that follows it does > > not necessarily imply that point should be "at the end of "bline2\n", > > since the cursor is also drawn right after the "aline1\n" and by that > > logic point should be at the beginning of "bline2\n". > > > > What tilts the decision one way rather than the other here is the > > stickiness: for all positions other than right before "bline2\n", > > self-insert-command at point will result in an invisible char being > > inserted, which is very rarely the intention of the user. Of course, in > > a read-only buffer this consideration may not matter, but note that this > > stickiness issue also happens to be a way by which Elisp packages can > > control in which part of the invisible text point will end up. > > > > That makes sense. Thank you. > > Perhaps in case of notmuch the best way is to hide the preceding newline > character instead of the trailing one. This way there will always be a > visible newline between different messages and cursor-moving functions > (e.g. `vertical-motion') should not move beyond it. > While trying this, I found another issue with how emacs adjusts the point when it is idle. We have 3 lines and the second one is hidden. But now we hide the newline on line1 instead of line2: (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") (put-text-property 7 14 'invisible t) (goto-char (point-min))) Now if you run M-: (progn (end-of-visual-line) (point)), it moves to point 14, which is end of line 2 as expected. But then emacs adjusts the point and moves it to beginning of line3, C-x = says point is 15. Also, global-hl-line-mode does not work correctly for line1. Just go to the start of buffer and move forward to see some weird behavior. Regards, Dmitry > Still looking for an answer to the following question earlier in this > thread: > > I am looking for a function that does something like what you described > below. I.e. moves point to the next suitable character in the given > direction. At the moment I do it with smth like: > > ;; if point is invisible, skip forward to visible text > (while (invisible-p p) > (setq p (next-single-char-property-change p 'invisible))) > > Regards, > Dmitry > > > > > Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-05 3:52 ` Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-05 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-09 13:13 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-05 7:56 UTC (permalink / raw To: Dmitry Kurochkin; +Cc: monnier, emacs-devel > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 07:52:09 +0400 > > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > (put-text-property 7 14 'invisible t) > (goto-char (point-min))) > > Now if you run M-: (progn (end-of-visual-line) (point)), it moves to > point 14, which is end of line 2 as expected. But then emacs adjusts > the point and moves it to beginning of line3, C-x = says point is 15. Interestingly, the first time you do this, there's no adjustment from 14 to 15. Sounds like some snafu with the last point position? I can confirm that this happens because point adjustment: setting global-disable-point-adjustment to non-nil eliminates the problem: point stays at position 14. Also, C-e behaves correctly no matter what. So it's something specific to end-of-visual-line or vertical-motion. Perhaps stepping through adjust_point_for_property with a debugger will show what's wrong. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: `vertical-motion', `goto-line' set point to invisible text 2011-07-05 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-09 13:13 ` Dmitry Kurochkin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Kurochkin @ 2011-07-09 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: monnier, emacs-devel On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 03:56:55 -0400, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 07:52:09 +0400 > > > > (progn (switch-to-buffer "test") > > (insert "aline1\nbline2\ncline3\n") > > (put-text-property 7 14 'invisible t) > > (goto-char (point-min))) > > > > Now if you run M-: (progn (end-of-visual-line) (point)), it moves to > > point 14, which is end of line 2 as expected. But then emacs adjusts > > the point and moves it to beginning of line3, C-x = says point is 15. > > Interestingly, the first time you do this, there's no adjustment from > 14 to 15. Sounds like some snafu with the last point position? > > I can confirm that this happens because point adjustment: setting > global-disable-point-adjustment to non-nil eliminates the problem: > point stays at position 14. > > Also, C-e behaves correctly no matter what. So it's something > specific to end-of-visual-line or vertical-motion. > > Perhaps stepping through adjust_point_for_property with a debugger > will show what's wrong. I have opened a bug report #9034 [1] for this issue. Hopefully it would get some attention. Seems it should not be too hard to investigate investigate the problem for somebody how understands the code well enough. Please provide additional details for the bug report if I missed anything. Regards, Dmitry [1] http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=9034 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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