From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why?
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:12:54 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1QS5pe-0000ct-1y@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vz18vtk34dn.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Andy Moreton on Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:38:12 +0100)
> From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:38:12 +0100
>
> On Thu 02 Jun 2011, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> >> From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 00:26:59 +0100
> >
> >> - forward-char moves forward one character in the buffer, which in
> >> right-to-left text moves backward one position on the screen.
> >
> > Not "backward", but to the left. "Forward" and "backward" are not
> > well-defined on the screen in bidirectional context. For someone who
> > reads the bidirectional text, C-f always moves forward, i.e. in the
> > reading direction, the direction in which we scan characters while
> > reading the text.
>
> Explaining motion in terms of buffer position (forward and backward),
> reading direction (l2r/r2l) and screen position (left and right) may
> help to disambiguate things as long as those terms are used consistently
> and explained broefly in the doc string.
Yes. We are in agreement.
> So for forward-char, movement of point is always N characters forward in
> the buffer. The effect on the screen position must be considered as a
> sequence of single character movements in the buffer, each of which may
> move the screen position left or right (depending on the bidirectional
> context).
>
> Is that more accurate ?
Yes, this is accurate, though vague (because "bidirectional context"
is something left undefined).
Maybe the following variant of the 2nd sentence sounds better:
The effect on the screen is to place the cursor on the character N
buffer positions forward, which could be to the left or to the
right, depending on the bidirectional context.
That's because Emacs doesn't really move point one character at a
time (when N is more than 1).
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-27 20:40 `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why? Drew Adams
2011-05-27 20:48 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2011-05-27 21:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28 0:19 ` Nix
2011-05-27 21:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 21:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-27 22:23 ` Antoine Levitt
2011-05-27 23:19 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28 0:46 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-05-28 1:53 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28 2:24 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-05-28 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 23:09 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-05-27 23:23 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28 0:25 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-05-28 0:39 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28 6:57 ` David Kastrup
2011-05-28 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-28 0:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-28 1:54 ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28 7:07 ` David Kastrup
2011-05-28 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-30 3:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-31 14:18 ` Davis Herring
2011-05-31 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-01 11:48 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-01 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-01 23:26 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 4:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 10:38 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 11:12 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-06-02 12:59 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 16:23 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 21:42 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-03 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 17:09 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-02 18:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 14:35 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-03 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 15:14 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-03 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 20:56 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-04 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 16:51 ` Ehud Karni
2011-06-05 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 17:19 ` Ehud Karni
2011-06-05 17:26 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-05 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 18:26 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-05 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-07 8:51 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-07 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 15:35 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-06-02 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 19:29 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-06-02 21:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 0:47 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-03 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 11:27 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-05 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 7:23 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-02 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
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