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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why?
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:12:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1QS5pe-0000ct-1y@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vz18vtk34dn.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Andy Moreton on Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:38:12 +0100)

> From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:38:12 +0100
> 
> On Thu 02 Jun 2011, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >> From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 00:26:59 +0100
> >
> >>  - forward-char moves forward one character in the buffer, which in
> >>    right-to-left text moves backward one position on the screen.
> >
> > Not "backward", but to the left.  "Forward" and "backward" are not
> > well-defined on the screen in bidirectional context.  For someone who
> > reads the bidirectional text, C-f always moves forward, i.e. in the
> > reading direction, the direction in which we scan characters while
> > reading the text.
> 
> Explaining motion in terms of buffer position (forward and backward),
> reading direction (l2r/r2l) and screen position (left and right) may
> help to disambiguate things as long as those terms are used consistently
> and explained broefly in the doc string.

Yes.  We are in agreement.

> So for forward-char, movement of point is always N characters forward in
> the buffer. The effect on the screen position must be considered as a
> sequence of single character movements in the buffer, each of which may
> move the screen position left or right (depending on the bidirectional
> context).
> 
> Is that more accurate ?

Yes, this is accurate, though vague (because "bidirectional context"
is something left undefined).

Maybe the following variant of the 2nd sentence sounds better:

  The effect on the screen is to place the cursor on the character N
  buffer positions forward, which could be to the left or to the
  right, depending on the bidirectional context.

That's because Emacs doesn't really move point one character at a
time (when N is more than 1).



  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-02 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-27 20:40 `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why? Drew Adams
2011-05-27 20:48 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2011-05-27 21:11   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 22:08   ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28  0:19   ` Nix
2011-05-27 21:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 21:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 22:08   ` Drew Adams
2011-05-27 22:23     ` Antoine Levitt
2011-05-27 23:19       ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28  0:46         ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-05-28  1:53           ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28  2:24             ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-05-28  8:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-27 23:09     ` PJ Weisberg
2011-05-27 23:23       ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28  0:25         ` PJ Weisberg
2011-05-28  0:39           ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28  6:57             ` David Kastrup
2011-05-28  8:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-28  0:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-28  1:54   ` Drew Adams
2011-05-28  7:07     ` David Kastrup
2011-05-28  8:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-30  3:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-31 14:18       ` Davis Herring
2011-05-31 14:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-01 11:48         ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-01 13:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-01 23:26             ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02  4:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 10:38                 ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 11:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-06-02 12:59                     ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 15:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 16:23                         ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-02 17:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 21:42                             ` Andy Moreton
2011-06-03  7:01                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 17:09                         ` David Kastrup
2011-06-02 18:05                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 14:35                             ` David Kastrup
2011-06-03 15:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 15:14                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-06-03 16:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03 20:56                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-06-04  6:28                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 16:51                                 ` Ehud Karni
2011-06-05 17:10                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 17:19                                     ` Ehud Karni
2011-06-05 17:26                                       ` David Kastrup
2011-06-05 17:44                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 18:26                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-06-05 19:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-07  8:51                                               ` David Kastrup
2011-06-07 10:54                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 15:35                       ` PJ Weisberg
2011-06-02 17:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02 19:29                           ` PJ Weisberg
2011-06-02 21:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-03  0:47                   ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-03  7:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-05 11:27                       ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-05 13:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-02  7:23             ` David Kastrup
2011-06-02  8:59               ` Eli Zaretskii

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