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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 8545@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#8545: issues with recent doprnt-related changes
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:03:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1QGHKN-0008I1-9A@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DBB4E80.2020102@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Fri,  29 Apr 2011 16:49:20 -0700)

    >> If you assign i = INT_MAX + 1, the resulting behavior is undefined.
    >
    > The result is INT_MIN.  We don't try to support any theoretical machine
    > where this would not be so.

    Those machines used to be theoretical, but they're in common
    use now.

I assumed we were talking about type `int', but you did not explicitly
say so.  Touché -- but that just means we are talking at cross
purposes.  What I said about addition on type int is still valid.

     printf ("%d", INT_MAX+1);

will output INT_MIN.

      Practical C code can no longer assume that integers
    always wrap around when doing integer arithmetic.

I think that is the wrong interpretation of the facts.

       long
       foo (char *p, int i)
       {
	 return &p[i + 1] - &p[i];
       }
    On typical hosts where int is 32 bits, and long and char * are
    both 64 bits, most compilers optimize that "return" statement
    to "return 1;", even when I is INT_MAX and I + 1 therefore
    overflows.  These compilers are therefore rejecting the notion
    that INT_MAX + 1 must always equal INT_MIN.

i+1 is computed as an integer, but then it gets converted to a long.
What happens here seems to be an issue about type conversion combined
with addition -- not addition itself.

These compilers are taking a strange liberty.
Why isn't that a bug?

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-30 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-25  5:46 bug#8545: issues with recent doprnt-related changes Paul Eggert
2011-04-25  9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-25 13:37   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-26 20:25     ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-27  1:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-26  6:02   ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-27 19:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-27 23:51       ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-28  1:32         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-28  3:11           ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-28  3:42             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-28  5:06               ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-28  5:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-28  5:29               ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-28  6:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-28  6:42                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-28  7:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-28  7:54                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-28 11:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-29 12:28             ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-29 19:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-29 23:49               ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-30 21:03                 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2011-05-01  5:41                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-01 23:59                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-05-02  0:23                       ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                         ` <E1QH37h-0001yM-HR@fencepost.gnu.org>
2011-05-03 20:24                           ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-01  4:25                 ` Jason Rumney
2011-05-01  5:56                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-01  8:12                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-05-01 11:02                       ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-28  5:02           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-28  5:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <4DB9146D.2040702@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]             ` <E1QFQVO-0004Dq-6o@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <4DB9E5FF.9020506@cs.ucla.edu>
2011-04-29 11:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-29 14:41                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-29 19:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-29 20:32                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-04-30  8:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-04  7:28                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-04  9:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-04 14:56                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-04 14:56                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-05 20:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-06 13:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-06 14:41                             ` bug#8545: " Paul Eggert
2011-05-06 14:41                             ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-06 15:03                             ` bug#8545: " Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-06 15:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-06 17:13                               ` bug#8545: " Stefan Monnier
2011-05-06 17:13                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-06 19:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-07  3:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-07  7:55                                     ` bug#8545: " Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-07  7:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-07  3:18                                   ` bug#8545: " Stefan Monnier
2011-05-06 19:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-06 13:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-05 20:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-05-01 18:19 bug#8601: * 2 -> * 4 typo fix in detect_coding_charset Paul Eggert
2011-05-01 19:06 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-05-01 19:25   ` Paul Eggert
2011-05-06  7:29 ` bug#8601: Merged fixes for 8600, 8601, 8602, and (partially) for 8545 Paul Eggert
2020-09-14 12:37   ` bug#8545: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-14 18:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16  2:01       ` Paul Eggert

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