From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8308: 23.3; Use utf-8 for writing abbrev file Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300705645 4176 80.91.229.12 (21 Mar 2011 11:07:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 21 12:07:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1cxE-0004Ov-AJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:07:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47573 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q1cxC-0002NY-NY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49429 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q1cwz-0002Lt-5i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1cwx-0008Ao-Li for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1cwx-0008Ak-KG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1clJ-0001Af-Ur; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:55:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8308 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13007048794472 (code B ref -1); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2011 10:54:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1ckw-0001A4-Jj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1cku-00019r-IA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1cko-00061s-Ld for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:31 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:45421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1cko-00061l-9r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53515 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q1cke-0005c9-6Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1ckc-0005zK-J4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:57312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1ckc-0005zG-Hj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1ckc-00018i-5H; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:54:18 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Leo on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:01:17 +0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:55:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:45222 Archived-At: > From: Leo > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:01:17 +0800 > Cc: > > Would you agree to use utf-8-emacs instead, which covers all characters. That's better, but the characters outside Unicode are still going to do bad things to any software except Emacs. AFAIK, emacs-mule is a superset of iso-2022 in the same way as utf-8-emacs is a superset of utf-8. > > Can you tell what is the purpose of this change? > > Make abbrev file editable to other editors. If we are really keen on making the abbrev files editable to other editors, we should make sure they are encoded in some encoding that these other editors will understand. That probably calls for using utf-8 for everything that's covered by Unicode, and using other appropriate encodings for characters outside Unicode.