From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Typesetting non-ASCII names in Emacs manuals (was: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 100, Issue 28) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: <201103082314.p28NEF5N012015@tug.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1299651197 12518 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2011 06:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 07:13:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PxCdz-0002ww-5g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:13:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59312 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PxCdy-0001Rj-FQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:13:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44373 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PxCdl-0001R5-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:12:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PxCdk-0006Cb-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:12:57 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:40387) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PxCdk-0006CW-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:12:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PxCdj-0007hb-W4; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:12:56 -0500 In-reply-to: <201103082314.p28NEF5N012015@tug.org> (karl@freefriends.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136936 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 23:14:15 GMT > From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Although I am not one to downplay the importance of correctly > typesetting people's names, I question whether doing so requires using > UTF-8 for the manual. After all, the manuals are about Emacs and are > written in US English using 7-bit ASCII, not about stressing the > typesetting system by expecting to be able to handle every script in the > world in one document simultaneously. Exactly my thoughts, yes. > Here's a kludge that comes to mind as a possible workaround: Perhaps the > names could be written in a separate document that uses standard LaTeX > (or XeLaTeX), where all the necessary fonts are at least conceivably > available (though don't expect it to be zero effort to get it all to > work). Or perhaps it takes several small documents, one for each major > script family. The separate documents could be included in the manual > in their .pdf form for the TeX output. Thanks. Could you perhaps outline the procedure for each of these workarounds and perhaps show some examples, or point to some documentation or discussions from which such a procedure could be gleaned?