From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Input method or help feature needed Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87lj1ew6d3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20110218083736.GA12190@tomas> <20110220082705.GA4092@tomas> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298198971 29937 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2011 10:49:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 20 11:49:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pr6qz-0001Lp-8X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:49:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58763 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pr6je-0006y4-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:41:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40161 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pr6jX-0006xV-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:41:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pr6jO-0000Wy-Qy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:41:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pr6jO-0000Wt-Jn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:41:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pr6jN-000806-Qe; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:41:33 -0500 In-reply-to: <20110220082705.GA4092@tomas> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136272 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:27:05 +0100 > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, Andreas Schwab , rms@gnu.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 05:41:19PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > > tomas@tuxteam.de writes: > > > > As an additional thought: this won't work for non-English speakers, > > > right? > > > > I'd think of it like a programming language -- it's nominally "English", > > but of a rather limited and regular sort. > > Kind of. Still, a non-English speaker is less likely to come up with a > construct like "DOTLESS", to keep to the example. I don't understand what you have in mind, specifically. Unicode character names are defined in English only. The only official translation is into French (http://www.unicode.org/fr/), and even there many links point back to the English site. So anyone who looks for a character by its name in practice must know the English name. > > Can you think of any mechanism that both completely avoids naming and > > covers the entire unicode space though? > > You are completely right, that's hard (although this thread is producing > surprising ideas already). My reply wasn't meant as an objection to the > method proposed. Rather as a reminder: we're not done with that, and we > might need a whole bunch of interfaces, complementing each other. At least one interface that is based on character shapes (rather than on their names) was mentioned in this thread. So it doesn't sound like we forgot something.