From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: moving more cl seq/mapping support into core Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4CAA0FFC.5020809@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286272561 18734 80.91.229.12 (5 Oct 2010 09:56:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monkey@sandpframing.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 05 11:55:59 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P34Fb-0002Qy-Ay for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:55:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38826 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P34Fa-0003Aq-ML for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53734 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P34FP-00039A-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P34FO-0003bL-Aa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:38295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P34FO-0003bC-3P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P34FN-0003g1-Dn; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:45 -0400 In-reply-to: <4CAA0FFC.5020809@gmail.com> (message from Daniel Colascione on Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:33:48 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131358 Archived-At: _What_ global names? cl.el is _already_ widely used. What symbols actually cause a problem _in practice_, _today_? How would I know? We're talking about user's own programs here. The fact that many programmers use cl.el is not conclusive. Those programmers won't use cl names for anything else -- others might. Meanwhile, there is a further issue. If we move these symbols into the standard Elisp, we need to document them in the Lisp Reference manual. We could certainly do that, with some work. But it would also make the Elisp manual bigger and more expensive.