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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Intervals crash
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:02:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1P0BTy-0007Hy-Gu@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y6anblv9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:02:02 +0200)

> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:02:02 +0200
> 
> > We can get rid of almost all of them, if we believe that size_t and
> > EMACS_UINT are always of the same size.
> 
> Why wouldn't we be using size_t when we needed something of size size_t?

We do, as a matter of habit.  What I meant was to use size_t where we
now use EMACS_UINT, because almost all of those places have nothing to
do with Emacs integers.  We simply use EMACS_UINT as a portable
unsigned data type large enough to accommodate both size_t and a
pointer.

> > In any case, I think we cannot get rid of using an unsigned data type
> > in most of the 70+ places we do now, because of one or more of the
> > following reasons:
> >
> >  . the value is a bit mask or a bit map
> 
> We have the assumption of two's complement arithmetic hardwired in a lot
> of other places.  So bit operations should work on signed numbers
> reasonably well.  Possible exception are right shifts when indeed the
> full range of an EMACS_UINT over an EMACS_INT is being employed, but
> then the number will not convert into an Elisp integer readily anyhow,
> so why use EMACS_UINT at all?

I obviously didn't make myself clear: these are _not_ reasons to use
EMACS_UINT, these are reasons why we sometimes need an unsigned
integer data type.

>> >  . the value is a pointer that is subject to bitwise operations
> 
> Why would a pointer be put into an EMACS_UINT?

Again, not into EMACS_UINT, but rather into an unsigned data type.

The reason is, of course, that almost every Lisp_Object is a pointer
in disguise, and alloc.c was why I put this reason in the list.

> >  . the value is an unsigned data type forced by external hardware or
> >    software API
> 
> Again, why an EMACS_UINT rather than the appropriate unsigned data type
> forced by the external hardware?

See above, this isn't about EMACS_UINT.  We will need some unsigned
data type that is portable between 32- and 64-bit architectures.

> If we use this as a Lisp integer

We don't, and I didn't say we should.  I was talking about unsigned
data types that we would need even if we get rid of EMACS_UINT.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-27 11:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-23 18:23 Intervals crash Chong Yidong
2010-09-23 18:52 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-23 19:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-23 19:09     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-23 19:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-23 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-24  6:12   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-24  8:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-24  8:52       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-24 10:03         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-25 14:34           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-25 16:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-25 18:54               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-25 22:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-26 13:08                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-26 19:22                     ` Miles Bader
2010-09-26 19:33                       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-27  4:53                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-27  6:55                         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-27  7:42                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-09-27  8:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-27  9:02                               ` David Kastrup
2010-09-27 11:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-09-27  8:36                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-27  8:50                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-27  9:39                             ` David Kastrup
2010-09-27  9:45                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-27 10:11                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-24 10:31 ` Eli Zaretskii

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