From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Google modules integration Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:42:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878w3a1x9s.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284133666 14146 80.91.229.12 (10 Sep 2010 15:47:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: carsten.dominik@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Julien Danjou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 10 17:47:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou5pG-00033w-Gh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:47:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38323 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ou5pF-0005RI-Ox for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48214 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ou5kZ-0001YX-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:42:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou5kX-0003zP-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:57818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou5kX-0003zL-M4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou5kb-00067t-Sv; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:42:53 -0400 In-reply-to: <878w3a1x9s.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> (message from Julien Danjou on Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:23:43 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:129914 Archived-At: But to do the things correctly, that would mean the merge of the `google-maps.el' and `google-weather.el' modules into Emacs core packages. We do not want Org to rely on external sources and would like to have this in the core functionalities of Org mode. I see no reason not to do this. We have nothing against Google Maps and Google Weather as services, so there's no reason we shouldn't provide free software to access them. And no reason it shouldn't be in or associated with Emacs. We reject packages whose functionality is support for proprietary programs. However, a service is not a program. The issues about a service are totally different. For instance, we disapprove of SaaS (see gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html). But these services are not SaaS. As far as I know, they just provide information. We should recommend that people not give Google Maps specific addresses. Can these programs work via TOR? Open Street Map is a good thing, and we should encourage people to use that by preference.