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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org
Subject: Re: Arabic support
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:49:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OrB6l-0002HI-9g@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hbi8dzo2.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> (message from Jason Rumney on Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:48:29 +0800)

> From: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
> Cc: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>,  emacs-bidi@gnu.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:48:29 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > No, not AFAIK.  We call the ScriptItemize API of Uniscribe with NULL
> > as the 4th and 5th arguments, which AFAIU should disable reordering.
> > Perhaps Jason could chime in and tell if I'm right here.
> 
> The documentation seems to imply that, but it looks like items[i].a.fRTL
> is being set anyway according to how uniscribe thinks the direction
> should be.

My interpretation of this is that the fRTL flag is set according to
the explicit directionality of the character deduced solely from its
codepoint, e.g. it is TRUE for Hebrew and Arabic letters and FALSE for
the rest.  By contrast, a "full Unicode bidirectional analysis" that
ScriptItemize is advertised to perform when these arguments are
non-NULL includes the full implementation of UAX#9, under which
embeddings and implicit levels can affect the fRTL flag for characters
whose inherent attributes would say otherwise.

But that's a guess; the MS documentation is not very explicit on this,
to say the least.

> As well as removing the code that takes notice of the rtl flag and tries
> to reverse the output, you will probably have to set
> items[i].a.fLogicalOrder to 1 before calling ScriptShape to ensure
> logical order output from ScriptShape.

Right, thanks for the hint.  However, given what Handa-san wrote, I'm
now utterly confused regarding the issue of ordering between Emacs and
Uniscribe.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-02 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-26  1:10 Arabic support Kenichi Handa
2010-08-27  9:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-28 10:15   ` Amit Aronovitch
2010-08-29  5:07     ` James Cloos
2010-08-29  5:13     ` James Cloos
2010-08-30  2:07     ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-30 13:42       ` Amit Aronovitch
2010-08-30 14:11         ` [emacs-bidi] " Amit Aronovitch
2010-09-03  7:35           ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-03  7:54             ` [emacs-bidi] " Amit Aronovitch
2010-09-01  2:55         ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-01  4:58           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01  5:06             ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-01  7:12           ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-09-03  7:17             ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-30  7:47   ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-30 14:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01  2:17       ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-01  3:47         ` "Martin J. Dürst"
2010-09-02  7:45           ` 大嶋 俊祐
2010-09-02  9:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 12:58               ` "Martin J. Dürst"
2010-09-02 14:13                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01  6:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01  7:08           ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-01 17:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02  2:13               ` Jason Rumney
2010-09-02 11:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 12:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 13:09                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Jason Rumney
2010-09-02 14:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 14:37                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Jason Rumney
2010-09-02 13:01               ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-02 14:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03  1:00                   ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-03  9:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03 10:18                       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-03 11:08                       ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-03 14:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03 13:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03 14:32                       ` Amit Aronovitch
2010-09-03 14:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-04  7:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-06  6:04                         ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-04 15:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 13:48       ` Jason Rumney
2010-09-02 14:49         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-09-06 13:45   ` Thamer Mahmoud
2010-09-07  4:22     ` TAKAHASHI Naoto
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-07 15:08 mhibti
2010-09-13  6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-16  2:07   ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-22  3:54     ` Kenichi Handa
2010-09-22 12:27       ` Thamer Mahmoud

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