From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Locks on the Bzr repository
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:52:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1On6Hm-0006Jx-LZ@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r5hr6qvf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org)
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
> Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:36:20 +0900
>
> > I could use "ci --local", but that would cause my changes appear on
> > a branch when I finally commit upstream, and require the -n0 switch
> > to "bzr log", so I try to avoid that.
>
> isn't a problem if you rebase.
Stefan says bzr's rebase is unreliable. I only used rebase in toy
use-cases, so I have no first-hand knowledge. Perhaps Stefan could
elaborate on the problems he knows about.
> > > The recommended workflow (at least as Karl and I wrote it)
> > > assumed that "one-commit changes" would be performed in a
> > > separate branch, and merged into the mirror (bound branch) in
> > > batches.
> >
> > This would again fly in the face of the "don't lump together..."
> > request, AFAIU.
>
> Then there's something you don't understand. What don't you
> understand?
I just completely misunderstood the use-case you were describing.
Re-reading it now, I don't see any problems of the "lumping" kind,
indeed. The only problem is with having the changes on a branch
instead of mainline of the history, unless rebase is used.
There's one other problem with holding back commits to minor problems:
someone else could solve the same problem in the meantime. Apart of
the obvious social issues ("I was the first to fix it"), there's the
issue of wasted effort. With changes I make for the DOS port, I
casually leave them in a local commit for days, because I'm sure no
one else will touch them. But with general-purpose changes, we need a
mechanism to announce "I'm working on this one", otherwise the urge to
commit the results of a job well done is too intense, I think.
If all of this were solved, I could probably wait with commits until
the end of the day, which will make the commit slowness much less of
an issue.
I guess no one seriously considered all these issues because we
believed (and still do) that bzr will eventually become faster on
Savannah. Perhaps one day we will abandon that hope and turn to
resolving these issues instead.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-22 8:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-19 15:40 Locks on the Bzr repository Stefan Monnier
2010-08-19 15:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 16:07 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 16:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 20:06 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 21:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 6:22 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-20 7:40 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 9:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 9:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 11:35 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 12:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 12:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-20 13:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 10:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 11:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 12:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 12:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-20 13:33 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 15:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 13:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 22:41 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 8:36 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 9:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:30 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 10:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:47 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 17:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-22 7:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 3:15 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-21 9:38 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 10:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:37 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 10:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 12:51 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 13:02 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 7:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 17:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 12:31 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 13:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 14:56 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 17:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-22 7:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 19:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 18:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 19:50 ` Leo
2010-08-21 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 20:17 ` Leo
2010-08-21 20:31 ` Leo
2010-08-22 1:41 ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-22 1:47 ` Leo
2010-08-22 13:47 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-22 13:53 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-22 6:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 8:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 8:57 ` Leo
2010-08-22 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 19:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 21:51 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 22:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-22 9:03 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-22 9:36 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-08-22 9:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 4:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23 7:52 ` Glenn Morris
2010-08-23 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-24 13:30 ` Karl Fogel
2010-08-24 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 9:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 5:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23 7:58 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 10:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 12:41 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 6:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 12:37 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 13:05 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-24 14:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 15:25 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 14:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 15:02 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 21:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-24 16:42 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 17:12 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 18:47 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 14:05 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 15:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-25 13:03 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-25 13:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-31 21:33 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-01 0:30 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-01 1:44 ` Bernardo Barros
2010-09-01 2:36 ` Miles Bader
2010-09-01 3:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01 6:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-01 18:17 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-01 19:10 ` Bastien
2010-09-02 5:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 6:31 ` Bastien
2010-09-03 1:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-03 8:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03 9:50 ` Bastien
2010-09-03 13:58 ` Karl Fogel
2010-08-25 20:25 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 15:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-22 7:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 8:52 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-08-22 9:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 9:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:13 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-22 13:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 17:10 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 2:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 16:08 ` bzr smart server [was Re: Locks on the Bzr repository] Glenn Morris
2010-08-20 16:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-20 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 17:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-20 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 17:52 ` bzr smart server David Kastrup
2010-08-20 17:12 ` bzr smart server [was Re: Locks on the Bzr repository] Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 23:02 ` bzr smart server Stefan Monnier
2010-08-21 8:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 13:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 13:46 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-21 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 15:45 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-21 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 17:28 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-21 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 14:00 ` Eric Hanchrow
2010-08-21 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-21 14:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 15:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-21 17:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-22 17:06 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-20 4:44 ` Locks on the Bzr repository Miles Bader
2010-08-20 4:52 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-20 6:22 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-19 16:54 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 16:12 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 16:43 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-19 16:48 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 17:08 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-19 17:32 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-19 17:29 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 21:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-20 9:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 9:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-19 16:26 ` Jay Belanger
2010-08-21 20:36 ` bzr send workflow (Was: Locks on the Bzr repository) Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-21 22:05 ` bzr send workflow Stefan Monnier
2010-08-21 22:48 ` Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-22 5:26 ` No ChangeLog's (was: bzr send workflow) Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 8:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 12:29 ` bzr send workflow Andreas Schwab
2010-08-22 13:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 14:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-23 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 5:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23 5:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-25 15:03 ` Andy Wingo
2010-08-25 19:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-26 17:11 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-26 17:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-27 5:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-27 11:27 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-08-22 7:56 ` bzr send workflow (Was: Locks on the Bzr repository) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 11:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-22 13:44 ` bzr send workflow Miles Bader
2010-08-22 14:40 ` Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-23 4:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 5:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
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