From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279299426 14521 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 16:57:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 18:57:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZoDh-0000we-3i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:57:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45498 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZoDg-0002pT-L0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54999 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZoDb-0002pL-GB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:56:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OZoDa-0004dX-Iq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:56:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:54494) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OZoDa-0004dT-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:56:58 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZoDZ-0006oZ-Qu; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:56:57 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Tom on Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:51:59 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127442 Archived-At: Can we please stop with the extravagant claim that new users are not attracted to emacs because of some idiosyncratic bindings? It is true that there are features thatemacs lacks, or are suboptimal, that some popular editors have, but the bindings don't scare anyone. Repating that claim won't make it true. One should strive for what is sensible and logical, not what is currently modern and popular. The reason people are attached to "the old way" is because it makes sense, and it has proven itself over 30 years.