From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:27:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <87k4p0dyjz.fsf@telefonica.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279063673 18195 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 23:27:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 01:27:52 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYotC-0005iD-EF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:27:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35925 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYotB-00074l-Hl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:27:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44207 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYot4-00073Q-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:27:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OYot3-0007Lj-JQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:27:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:57868) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OYot3-0007Lf-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:27:41 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYot2-0007L4-JU; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:27:40 -0400 In-reply-to: <87k4p0dyjz.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= on Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:18:24 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127230 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote: > Regarding features, this is infact what people are having problems > with, like yourself and _not_ about terminology. The most basic > prerequisite for any feature is that it should work without any > configuration, one shouldn't have to define what a tetromino is to > play tetris even though your tetromino might be different from mine. I agree completely. We cannot hope to make all Emacs features totally easy to use without a manual and without configuration, because that would require discarding what makes Emacs good for us. But we can make a lot of Emacs features a lot easier to use without a manual or configuration, without giving up anything important. I think it is very important to do that.