From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:28:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278977327 818 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 23:28:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 01:28:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYSQX-00048a-Vl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:28:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37941 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYSQW-0002cs-UE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35175 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYSQP-0002bu-5s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OYSQN-00007V-RT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:42698) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OYSQN-00007R-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:28:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYSQM-0005HU-No; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:28:34 -0400 In-reply-to: <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= on Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:53:24 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127128 Archived-At: You are conflating two separate issue, one of terminology, and one of non-working features, so are many people in this thread. The terminology debate will be ongoing for eternity, so I'll sing abit instead: | You like potato and I like potahto, you like tomato and I like | tomahto. Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto, let's call the whole | thing off... Point being, depending on context we define words to mean things, and sometimes when taken out of ontext they might mean other things. Neither is more right nor more wrong, it is just different. Regarding features, this is infact what people are having problems with, like yourself and _not_ about terminology. The most basic prerequisite for any feature is that it should work without any configuration, one shouldn't have to define what a tetromino is to play tetris even though your tetromino might be different from mine. In your case, CEDET not working out of the box, and being hard to configure on top of that. This is a bug, could you file a bug report so that the problem can be looked at? If people don't report problems they experience, then they won't be known.