From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:33:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278837225 15066 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2010 08:33:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: levelhalom@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 11 10:33:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXryp-0006kY-5a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:33:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38371 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXryo-0006nk-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:33:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44763 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXryi-0006nf-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OXryh-0000Un-HO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:46868) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OXryh-0000Uj-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXryh-0003w4-5p; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:33:35 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Lennart Borgman on Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:44:48 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127033 Archived-At: > I doubt that words like yank, kill, point, etc hinder new users > from using emacs.  The argument seems extremly weak. Please try to be more specific. Exactly what argument is it you think of? Exactly why do you think it is weak? I find it weak since it side tracks the real issue, namley how to use emacs more efficiently when you are a new user. What words you use won't hinder that. You will always encounter new definitions for words, if one goes about renaming everything to what is currently popular it will only cause mass confusion.