From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <874ohen792.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <37661.130.55.118.19.1275949975.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275953125 3359 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 23:25:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, dak@gnu.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: herring@lanl.gov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 08 01:25:23 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlh5-0008Oz-6v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:25:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51750 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLlh4-0001zI-GX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:25:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40452 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLlgz-0001xX-0T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:25:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlbY-0000PM-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:39650) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlbY-0000PG-Fg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlbX-0005u6-6Y; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:19:39 -0400 In-reply-to: <37661.130.55.118.19.1275949975.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> (herring@lanl.gov) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125620 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Davis Herring" > Cc: David Kastrup , Andreas Schwab , > Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov > > That's just the point. , as it stands, is only aware of the > direction of the paragraph, not of the text, so it moves forward in > logical order in an L2R paragraph even when that means moving leftward on > the screen. Correct. > Eli, I believe, is proposing changing things so that > /etc. move visually in all cases (while C-f/etc. would still > move logically in all cases). No, I was not suggesting anything of this kind. In fact, whatever I want the left/right arrow keys to do in the bidirectional case is already in the repository, and works as you describe above, i.e. it is sensitive to the paragraph direction. Personally, I don't see much use to a mode where the arrows move independently of the logical (i.e. reading) order of the text.