From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <878w6qnayj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275951637 31550 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 23:00:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 08 01:00:35 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlJ5-0004qS-0g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:00:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41232 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLlJ4-0000zO-Kn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:00:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59180 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLlIy-0000yV-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:00:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlIx-00009o-Kt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:00:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:34317) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlIx-00009k-F2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:00:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLlIx-0005RS-8V; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:00:27 -0400 In-reply-to: <878w6qnayj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:01:24 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125619 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:01:24 +0200 > > >> likely the same with "C-a" "C-e" for logical movement as contrasted > >> to and for visual movement. > > > > To this, I object. I made the left/right arrows and their > > Ctrl-modified siblings move to the left resp. right, regardless of the > > logical buffer order, because this is what users of bidirectional > > scripts expect -- they are used to it in every other bidi-aware > > application out there. By contrast, and always move to > > the beginning resp. end of the current line, > > The left border of the screen is not necessarily the next character > after the line feed. Ah, that was my misunderstanding, then. You want go to the first and to the last character of the line in the visual order, right? Then I agree.