From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275921605 7500 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 14:40:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 07 16:40:02 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdUf-0001s1-5G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:40:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36094 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLdUe-0004Sm-Bt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:40:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55256 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLdUX-0004SL-Sg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdUX-0003ok-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:46722) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdUX-0003og-6B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdUW-0006vS-TS; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:39:52 -0400 In-reply-to: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:22:51 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125581 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:22:51 +0200 > > Since we opened that can of worms already by making C-f/C-b do logical > motion as opposed to the arrow keys doing visual motion, I should think > it would make sense to disconnect C-n/C-p from the vertical arrow keys > as well and move them in a non-display-related manner in the "keep the > same C-f distance from the last LF" sense. I have no objection to this suggestion, although I'm not sure when I personally would use such kind of a down/up-arrow command. > likely the same with "C-a" "C-e" for logical movement as contrasted to > and for visual movement. To this, I object. I made the left/right arrows and their Ctrl-modified siblings move to the left resp. right, regardless of the logical buffer order, because this is what users of bidirectional scripts expect -- they are used to it in every other bidi-aware application out there. By contrast, and always move to the beginning resp. end of the current line, they have no relation to either left or right directions.