From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Guile in Emacs Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4B8147A9.7030504@gmail.com> <873a0cyv3r.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87aauiho3y.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <1271028837.6164.55.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1271102739.6067.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <8039yz34ka.fsf@tiny.isode.net> <1271173887.6067.53.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87FA5F05CB9C41409B9E72BD06D7C8CF@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271534189 28322 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2010 19:56:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Helmut Eller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 21:56:27 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3E7t-0007jo-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:56:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43561 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O3E7t-0004ZQ-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:56:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O3E77-000493-Ux for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45895 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O3E77-00048h-Ge for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O3E74-0005K0-CT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:46865) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O3E74-0005Jw-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:55:34 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3E73-0000xX-Pz; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:55:33 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Helmut Eller on Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:46:18 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123816 Archived-At: > The Tex sources of the "draft" of the ANSI standard are available on the > net[1]. > > What license do they carry? Apparently none. The only paragraph containing the word "copyright" is this: Special thanks to Guy L. Steele Jr. and Digital Press for producing {\CLtL}, and for relaxing copyright restrictions enough to make it possible for that document's text to provide an early basis of this work. Unless they state a license elsewhere, they are not free. - All these organizations agreed that they would place the work (to which they held copyright since they were paying Symbolics to do it as a work for hire) into the public domain. Except some lawyer pointed out that you can't really affirmatively put something in the public domain. You can in the US, according to my lawyers. So they did something--not clear what--to assert their copyright but to allow anyone to use the draft they were paying to have produced for any purpose whatsoever. That would be tantamout to granting a license. If we can find the statement they made, it might be adequate. I will ask GLS if he can do anything about this. However, unless you hear about something that changes the situation, you may as well give up on that text.