From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:27:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ocij1wdu.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> <20100320.133238.250694899.hanche@math.ntnu.no> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269210505 17165 80.91.229.12 (21 Mar 2010 22:28:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Harald Hanche-Olsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 21 23:28:18 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtTd2-0007BR-5v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:28:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42765 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtTd1-0005H6-Fw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:28:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NtTcK-00052J-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:27:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46958 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtTcJ-00051t-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NtTcI-0007J9-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:51726) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NtTcI-0007J5-JV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtTcH-0000gb-Qd; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:27:29 -0400 In-reply-to: <20100320.133238.250694899.hanche@math.ntnu.no> (message from Harald Hanche-Olsen on Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:32:38 -0400 (EDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122423 Archived-At: I have a meta-question in this context: How many users need to be surprised by any feature, and how much do they need to be bothered by it, before news of this comes back to the developers? I realize that this question is probably nearly impossible to answer, but I wonder if it is necessary to actively go out and gather such evidence, or if it is enough to just sit back and wait for complaints to come rolling in. It is useful to actively see what new users think, by teaching people to use Emacs and seeing where they have problems. That's how we found out that some do want self-insertion to replace the region, and that's how we found out that some want the opposite.