From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> <87k4t92hmb.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269053409 32668 80.91.229.12 (20 Mar 2010 02:50:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 20 03:50:04 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsolH-0006Ji-99 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:50:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37746 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsolG-0000qq-P8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsolB-0000pa-9Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:49:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59841 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsolA-0000pR-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:49:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsol9-0002kz-GZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:49:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:49411) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsol8-0002k7-9S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsoM1-00086M-GD; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:23:57 -0400 In-reply-to: <87k4t92hmb.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> (message from Jason Rumney on Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:02:52 +0800) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122333 Archived-At: Personally I think that the traditional Emacs way of setting mark should have neither delete-selection nor transient-mark by default. The reason is that Emacs has two distinct uses for the mark - as a mark, and as one end of the region. Transient-mark-mode and delete-selection-mode really only apply when the mark is used as one end of the region, and get in the way when the intention is to use the mark as a mark. The reason I don't agree with this is that Transient Mark mode is very useful with the traditional Emacs mark commands. (I have mark-even-if-inactive set to t, which is what makes Transient Mark mode acceptable.)