From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <878wabxg0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87635eycga.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hboyhfnt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87zl2qwsgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267612684 19850 80.91.229.12 (3 Mar 2010 10:38:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 03 11:38:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmlxn-0002wT-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:38:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nmlxn-0000An-5O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmlxY-00007J-6v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33944 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmlxX-00006o-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NmlxW-0001FN-9f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56755) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NmlxW-0001FJ-3M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:42 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmlxV-0003yv-GL; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:37:41 -0500 In-reply-to: <87zl2qwsgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121598 Archived-At: That's only part of it. It has also been heavily motivated by the desire to ostracize those with different beliefs, even if they are compatible with freedom. Specifically, the BSDs have shown that it is possible to maintain freedom of the whole for those who want it with important parts of the system (eg, the OS kernel) licensed under less restrictive conditions. Stop these false accusations! We do not reject developers for disagreeing with us on philosophical questions, as long as they are willing to participate in the project under the rules and policies it has. BSD supporters have attacked the GPL for around 20 years now, but we have never attacked the BSD licenses. There is plenty of experience showing the danger that free programs under lax licenses will have proprietary improvements. Apache is a very large example today. The nonfree dynamically loadable device drivers for Linux are another example showing that nonfree extensions are a real danger. Whatever has happened with the BSD systems cannot disprove these facts. You are welcome to participate in this discussion to help improve Emacs. You are not welcome to use the list to post accusations or spread falsehoods about us.