From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> <87pr4m2ptm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265281346 18027 80.91.229.12 (4 Feb 2010 11:02:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grishka@gmx.de, paul.r.ml@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 04 12:02:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NczTa-0004MS-L8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:02:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NczTa-0005Nd-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:02:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NczSj-00055C-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40033 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NczSj-00054h-2O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NczSh-0002iL-Nq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:47657) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NczSh-0002iF-HK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:27 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NczSh-0002j3-B4; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:27 -0500 In-reply-to: <87pr4m2ptm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120893 Archived-At: The point is that "ecosystem" describes only one aspect of the phenomenon of software development. That aspect is not very self-conscious and therefore amoral. Nevertheless, it is powerful and we should include it in our reckoning when we consider what kinds of actions will advance our moral goals. We already do take account of others' tendencies (whatever their basis) when they are relevant to our decisions. However, using the term "ecosystem" to refer to them would shift the way WE frame the issues, from a moral/political one to an amoral nonjudgmental one. That is what we should not do. Excuse me? I did not mention "contradiction". There is some kind of misunderstanding here. I described a similarity of the argument used to justify copyleft to the kind of argument that uses the word "ecosystem". You didn't use the word "contradiction" but that was implicit in the argument you made. You attacked, I refuted, and now you deny the attack. We do not want to "preserve" the software "ecosystem". On the contrary, our aim is to eliminate part of it. If you want a biological analogy for what we do, the eradication of smallpox is a good example.