* fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
@ 2010-01-13 20:03 Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: 936
It's a long-standing issue that the news->mail gateway does not work
with the bug tracker:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/936
When someone posts a message to the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup, it
appears on the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list, but not in the bug tracker.
For example, Ted Zlatanov's response to bug 5307 today. (Actually, he's
the only person I ever notice using the news gateway to post.)
The only idea I had to fix this was that the news->mail gateway should
inject messages into submit@debbugs.gnu.org rather than directly to
the bug-gnu-emacs list. (Debbugs would then automatically take care of
appending the data to an exiting report or creating a new bug
depending on whether the subject line contained an existing bug
number.)
Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
special case?
Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
@ 2010-01-13 20:03 Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: 936
It's a long-standing issue that the news->mail gateway does not work
with the bug tracker:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/936
When someone posts a message to the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup, it
appears on the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list, but not in the bug tracker.
For example, Ted Zlatanov's response to bug 5307 today. (Actually, he's
the only person I ever notice using the news gateway to post.)
The only idea I had to fix this was that the news->mail gateway should
inject messages into submit@debbugs.gnu.org rather than directly to
the bug-gnu-emacs list. (Debbugs would then automatically take care of
appending the data to an exiting report or creating a new bug
depending on whether the subject line contained an existing bug
number.)
Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
special case?
Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 20:03 fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway Glenn Morris
@ 2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-01-13 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel, 936
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
> standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
> special case?
>
> Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
>
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 20:03 fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
@ 2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
` (3 more replies)
1 sibling, 4 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-01-13 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 936, emacs-devel
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
> standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
> special case?
>
> Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
>
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel, 936
Chong Yidong wrote:
> Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
> there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
> too much trouble.
>
> How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
I think the main thing is to advertise that it's become one way.
From looking at debbugs-submit, I think actually doing it might just
be a case of unsetting the Mailman option gateway_to_mail in the
bug-gnu-emacs setup.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 936, emacs-devel
Chong Yidong wrote:
> Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
> there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
> too much trouble.
>
> How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
I think the main thing is to advertise that it's become one way.
From looking at debbugs-submit, I think actually doing it might just
be a case of unsetting the Mailman option gateway_to_mail in the
bug-gnu-emacs setup.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-14 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 936, emacs-devel
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
Would it mean that his bug report appears as news, and all seems well,
but it is never seen on the mailing list? That is not a very good
outcome.
If the gateway could send him mail to inform him that he has to post
via mail, not via news, that would be much better.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
3 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-14 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel, 936
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
Would it mean that his bug report appears as news, and all seems well,
but it is never seen on the mailing list? That is not a very good
outcome.
If the gateway could send him mail to inform him that he has to post
via mail, not via news, that would be much better.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jason Rumney @ 2010-01-14 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel, 936
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
> as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
> when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
@ 2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jason Rumney @ 2010-01-14 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: Chong Yidong, 936, emacs-devel
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
> as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
> when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-15 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: cyd, emacs-devel, 936
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
Maybe that is a good idea.
I don't know enough to judge. However, ISTR that it is impossible to
convert a moderated group into a nonmoderated group. If that is true,
we should make damned sure this will work well, before trying it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
@ 2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 2:27 ` Glenn Morris
[not found] ` <18629.39337.385988.325295@fencepost.gnu.org>
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-15 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: cyd, 936, emacs-devel
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
Maybe that is a good idea.
I don't know enough to judge. However, ISTR that it is impossible to
convert a moderated group into a nonmoderated group. If that is true,
we should make damned sure this will work well, before trying it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
[not found] ` <18629.39337.385988.325295@fencepost.gnu.org>
@ 2010-02-03 2:27 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-02-03 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: cyd, emacs-devel, 936
What I conclude from this is that while we have various ideas for
changing this, we don't know which, if any, will work or how to
implement them. So I think we will have to present sysadmin@gnu with
the list of ideas and ask them if they can see how to implement one of
them.
Otherwise the least bad option is probably to leave it as it is.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-02-03 2:27 ` Glenn Morris
[not found] ` <18629.39337.385988.325295@fencepost.gnu.org>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-02-03 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: cyd, 936, emacs-devel, Jason Rumney
What I conclude from this is that while we have various ideas for
changing this, we don't know which, if any, will work or how to
implement them. So I think we will have to present sysadmin@gnu with
the list of ideas and ask them if they can see how to implement one of
them.
Otherwise the least bad option is probably to leave it as it is.
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