From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Neumerkel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#4363: 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4AB908EF.5000305@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Ulrich Neumerkel , 4363@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253644071 4744 80.91.229.12 (22 Sep 2009 18:27:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4363-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, 4363@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 20:27:42 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MqA5W-00028u-Bj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:27:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50853 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MqA5V-00014E-Os for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:27:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MqA53-0000s3-Bd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MqA4x-0000qD-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:27:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56108 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MqA4x-0000q5-2W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:51470) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MqA4w-00081H-45 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:27:06 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8MIR3Xa001253; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:27:03 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n8MHt7hf027708; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:55:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:55:07 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Ulrich Neumerkel Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:55:07 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4363 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.125364175426786 (code B ref -1); Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:55:07 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Sep 2009 17:49:14 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8MHnDS7026783 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:49:14 -0700 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:58082) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9UG-00043e-Bd for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:49:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9UC-0001XQ-5m for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:47594) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9UB-0001WQ-R4 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from ulrich by a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9U0-00064t-Ey; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4AB908EF.5000305@swipnet.se> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:27:12 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:31357 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:25071 Archived-At: >Well, it is dependent on the screen resolution, the font used and the theme >used for the scroll bar. Also, border or not is a matter of taste. The border and scrollbar thing is definitely not matter of taste, if you go fullscreen. You want to use the full screen... So anything that disturbes here makes using Emacs more difficult. >> "\n" Maybe padding is better put to the top or both. > >This is hard work for little gain. The difference between being directly usable or needing "customization". >Qvwm probably don't support EWMH. Programs like acroread use override >redirect to do fullscreen. I am not willing to do that for Emacs, since if >anything goes wrong, you are stuck. Qvwm on IGEL-X-Terminals is an old program indeed. But there is no option for upgrading. Unfortunatly Emacs still needs "manual" customization going into C-sources and guessing where those hints should be put. That is not everybody's turf. I try to avoid that myself delaying upgrades by years. Last time I upgraded was 2002. Everytime the relevant files change a bit so it takes time to adjust. I wonder how other people do that. At least some "better defined" way as simply patching sources manually would be nice. Maybe there is no need to put Motif hints by default. But it would be very helpful to avoid any customization that goes beyond .emacs.el editing. >I'm not sure F11 is a common key for fullscreen. I'll have to investigate >that first. Under Gnome, under Windows. Pretty everywhere it's F11. This is what I use now for Gnome: (global-set-key [f11] 'toggle-fullscreen) (defun toggle-fullscreen () (interactive) (cond ((cdr-safe (assoc 'fullscreen (frame-parameters))) (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil)) (t (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen 'fullboth))))