From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Phil Hagelberg <phil@hagelb.org>
Cc: tromey@redhat.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Package Management
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:40:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Mms7z-0007iv-1o@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d45vzt4j.fsf@hagelb.org> (message from Phil Hagelberg on Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:38:04 -0700)
If we do set up a package system, we should insist that any packages
to be recommended from Emacs follow the same rules as code to be
included in Emacs. This includes copyright assignments, and all the
technical conventions for Emacs code.
* Emacs is already too big. If we made it easy to install third-party
packages, we could spin many packages already included in Emacs
(perhaps gnus, erc, and org) out into their own independent
projects. We would avoid problems like "the big gnus merge" that
happens every so often as well as allowing them to follow their own
release cycles.
Splitting things up can be good in reducing the size of the main
Emacs distro. But watch out for a possible problem.
Supporting the latest Gnus on old versions of Emacs already
complicates things. If Emacs does not come with a copy of Gnus, we
will also be asked to support running an old Gnus in a new Emacs,
which will square the difficulty.
* I make use of the cl library, disqualifying much of my code for
inclusion in Emacs proper. I'd venture to say close to a majority of
the nontrivial packages out there do as well.
The rule against using CL functions at run time is for the sake of the
user. The CL functions are not a standard part of the Emacs Lisp
namespace. Thus, loading CL can conflict with the user's function
definitions.
Even if we separate out parts of Emacs, this policy will still apply.
It has nothing to do with whether Emacs si distributed as one package
or several packages.
Instead of this policy, we could declare those functions standard, but
I think some of them are not well designed and not good to include.
Also, to do it right we would need to document these functions in the
Emacs Lisp manual, which is a big job.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-09-13 16:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-01 21:27 Emacs Package Management Stephen Eilert
2008-08-01 22:58 ` Tom Tromey
2008-08-01 23:14 ` Phil Hagelberg
2008-08-01 23:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-02 0:13 ` Tom Tromey
2008-08-03 1:33 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-03 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-04 15:33 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-04 19:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-05 8:04 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-05 13:09 ` Stephen Eilert
2008-08-05 14:39 ` Paul R
2008-08-06 3:35 ` Richard M. Stallman
2009-09-16 22:36 ` Stephen Eilert
2009-09-17 1:44 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-17 13:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-17 14:26 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-17 14:58 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-09-28 21:13 ` Phil Hagelberg
2009-09-28 21:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-09-28 21:54 ` Chong Yidong
2009-09-28 22:30 ` Phil Hagelberg
2009-09-29 11:31 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-29 19:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-29 19:41 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-30 1:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-30 2:07 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-30 4:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-30 20:18 ` Tom Tromey
2009-10-01 5:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-02 1:58 ` Stephen Eilert
2008-08-02 3:36 ` Tom Tromey
2008-08-02 17:30 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-08-12 4:10 ` Thomas Lord
2009-09-12 22:38 ` Phil Hagelberg
2009-09-12 23:30 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-09-13 16:40 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2009-09-14 9:07 ` joakim
2009-09-14 9:26 ` David Kastrup
2009-09-15 7:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-15 8:30 ` Miles Bader
2009-09-15 18:15 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-15 18:58 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-15 22:08 ` Miles Bader
2009-09-16 15:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-16 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-17 1:05 ` Geoff Gole
2009-09-17 19:50 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-15 18:55 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-17 6:37 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-17 8:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-09-17 8:37 ` joakim
2009-09-17 8:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-09-17 9:31 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-09-17 10:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-09-17 11:50 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-09-19 2:40 ` Bob Rogers
2009-09-19 12:10 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-09-17 14:24 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-17 19:22 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-09-17 15:04 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-09-17 13:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-17 14:21 ` Tom Tromey
2009-09-13 17:00 ` Eric Schulte
2008-08-02 14:46 ` Paul R
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