From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Neumerkel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4363: 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:08:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4AA4955E.9010405@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Ulrich Neumerkel , 4363@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252343912 3914 80.91.229.12 (7 Sep 2009 17:18:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: 4363@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 15:28:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MkeGV-0007Df-RZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:28:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35792 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MkeFm-00057B-96 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MkeFP-0004kE-O4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MkeFL-0004g7-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40732 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MkeFL-0004fl-2h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:51340) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkeFK-0004q6-GC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n87DQwGn017443; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:27:00 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n87DF31r015221; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:15:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:15:03 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Ulrich Neumerkel Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4363 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.125232890514182 (code B ref -1); Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:15:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Sep 2009 13:08:25 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n87D8OKq014179 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:08:25 -0700 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:33670) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MkdxH-0006cr-PL for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkdxE-0008R9-Ll for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:43068) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkdxD-0008Q9-QH for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:08:20 -0400 Original-Received: from ulrich by a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mkdx7-0000cB-Rw; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:08:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4AA4955E.9010405@swipnet.se> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:27:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:30843 Jan Djaerv schrieb: >Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: >> Windowmanagers still put a titlebar on the fullscreen window. This can >> be avoided by setting the Motif nodecoration hint. This works in Gnome, >> KDE, and many windowmanagers. > >(set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) > >Note that fullscreen is all done by the window manager. Emacs tells the >window manager to put the window in fullscreen and the window manager does all >the rest. Thank you for the hint! I should M-x info, not merely view-emacs-news. With fullboth there are no titles under Gnome, fine! The no mouse's land between left screen side and scrollbar is still there which is irritating for mouse positioning. It is exactly as wide as the internal border. With (set-frame-parameter () 'internal-border-width 0) this can be removed. Ideally, would be part of fullboth, such that (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) restores the original state. Also, the remaining white vertical line on the left side of the screen could be removed in fullscreen. For smaller width of the scrollbar that line looks quite "noisy" and irritates because it suggests that exact positioning is necessary. I tried various resolutions, screens and looked at differences in scroll-bar-width. For some, there opens up a space between (left) scrollbar and fringe - sometimes this is on the right side (perferable): (set-frame-parameter () 'scroll-bar-width 11) http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs/pt.png Ideally, the left side (that's where one is looking at most of the time) looks always the same regardless of screen width. Having some internal border on the right side for padding is less irritating. (I would prefer here to take some pixels off the fringe, all else equal.) Another point is the echo area: The space below the echo area is currently used for padding in fullscreen. This looks irritating because it suggests that some over long line is present and makes me search the entire area, could be lot's of spaces... Like C-x C-e on "\n" Maybe padding is better put to the top or both. For the qvwm windowmanager (preinstalled on IGEL X-terminals) neither maximized nor fullboth works. Yet, other programs are still able to go fullscreen under qvwm (like acroread). What I do there so far with Emacs is to set this Motif nodecoration hint. That removes the decoration. The rest manually with geometries. I manually added that ad-hoc for some time - since about 20.7. Here is one http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs-21.2.50.1-motifhint.tgz >> Within Gnome, switching with Alt-TAB between windows causes irritating >> flicker with an Emacs fullscreen present. > >Irritating flicker in Emacs or the other windows? If the other windows, there >is nothing we can do. After some experiments with other fullscreen programs: It's very probably compiz.real (part of Gnome) - if that is killed, things work as expected. (During Alt-Tab the fullscreen program tries to regain the screen) Things have really improved a lot! Why not put a fullscreen-mode on f11? The settings during http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs/pt.png In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of 2009-09-06 on gupu2 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10603000 configured using `configure '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--prefix' '/opt/gupu/emacs-git'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Message Minor modes in effect: mml-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t overwrite-mode: overwrite-mode-textual Recent input: a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a C-x o C-x b . e m C-x o C-x C-g C-x 7 C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s C-x C-e 8 C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s 9 C-x C-s C-e C-x C-e C-a C-e 1 0 C-e C-x C-e C-g C-x C-g C-g C-x o ) 1 C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s 2 C-e C-x C-e 3 C-e C-x C-e 4 C-e C-x C-e C-e 5 C-e C-x C-e 1 C-e C-x C-e M-! x w s SPC d C-g M-x m a n x w d M-! x w s SPC - r o o t SPC - o u t SPC p t . b u g w x w d M-! d M-x r e p o r Recent messages: Auto-saving... nil [3 times] goto-history-element: Beginning of history; no preceding item [4 times] Quit Invoking man xwd in the background Please wait: formatting the xwd man page... xwd man page formatted /bin/bash: xws: command not found (Shell command succeeded with no output) Making completion list... 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