From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Defaulting to fancy diary display Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:51:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200909031802.n83I2i75021568@emr.cs.iit.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252053001 11808 80.91.229.12 (4 Sep 2009 08:30:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ed Reingold Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 04 10:29:54 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MjUAP-0004DA-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:29:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MjUAP-0003jw-2v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:29:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MjU9S-0002wz-R6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MjU9R-0002vr-B4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51761 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MjU9R-0002vj-6T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:28:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:45535) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MjU9P-0007Nc-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MjTZa-00087t-Br; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:51:06 -0400 In-reply-to: <200909031802.n83I2i75021568@emr.cs.iit.edu> (message from Ed Reingold on Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:02:44 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115026 Archived-At: > The only advantage of the simple display is that you can edit the > diary file directly. > > I think this is a fundamental advantage. I wish we could implement > the other features of fancy diary display while preserving this. > It's no advantage at all; it is a fundamental DISadvantage to have the default be the simple file with lines concealed. Of course that is the file you need to edit, but what you want to look at in the processed file, ie the fancy form. The fancy processed form is more useful to look at. At the same time, it is an advantage to be able to edit the same form that you look at. The ideal would be to combine both advantages: to display the diary as in fancy mode AND let you edit it and save it. Maybe this can be implemented now with buffer swapping, a la RMail Edit mode. It's like insisting that you only look at the .tex file, never the .pdf output. I see it as like using a WYSIWYG word processor where the version you see is also editable.