From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k52rzyn1.fsf@benthic.rattlesnake.com> <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877hyp3by2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246661620 7979 80.91.229.12 (3 Jul 2009 22:53:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 04 00:53:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MMrdL-0007D4-Hz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:53:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59648 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MMrdK-0002z0-S5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:53:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MMrcU-0002W7-Ia for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MMrcP-0002OW-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57132 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MMrcP-0002OH-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56974) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MMrcP-0006m9-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MMrcO-0000SJ-K8; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:32 -0400 In-reply-to: <877hyp3by2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:37:09 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111999 Archived-At: > I object strenuously to the idea of replacing the very simple Mail > mode with something complex from Gnus. It's a question of necessary complexity. I don't think so. Look at all the libraries message.el loads. (require 'hashcash) (require 'canlock) (require 'mailheader) (require 'gmm-utils) (require 'nnheader) That loads (require 'mail-utils) (require 'mm-util) (require 'gnus-util) ;; This is apparently necessary even though things are autoloaded. ;; Because we dynamically bind mail-abbrev-mode-regexp, we'd better ;; require mailabbrev here. (if (featurep 'xemacs) (require 'mail-abbrevs) (require 'mailabbrev)) (require 'mail-parse) (require 'mml) (require 'rfc822) (require 'ecomplete) I don't want to replace the simple sendmail.el with this tremendous pile of complexity. message.el is also 8000 lines long, where sendmail.el is under 2000 lines. I expect that sending attachments won't require more than 200 lines.