From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3526: 23.0.94; `list-character-sets' display Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:50:18 +0900 Message-ID: References: <8385521F908145EE8D60682CEAB9D7D1@us.oracle.com> <3057BD2C673B48079D31AC58DBF72C08@us.oracle.com> <0F745F1932EF4338B8D737D20FB2B94F@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Kenichi Handa , 3526@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1245286708 25807 80.91.229.12 (18 Jun 2009 00:58:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 3526@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 18 02:58:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MH5xQ-0006vt-LG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:58:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56488 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MH5xQ-0000Xt-9p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:58:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MH5wa-0007nu-AT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:57:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MH5wS-0007gD-L3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:57:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36264 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MH5wS-0007fk-4E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:37558) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MH5wR-0006S0-5T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:57:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5I0vLNo014073; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:57:21 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5I0t5e0013446; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:55:05 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Kenichi Handa Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3526 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 3526-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3526.124528622913003 (code B ref 3526); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:55:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3526) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Jun 2009 00:50:29 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp (mx1.aist.go.jp [150.29.246.133]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5I0oM9k012944 for <3526@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:50:24 -0700 Original-Received: from rqsmtp1.aist.go.jp (rqsmtp1.aist.go.jp [150.29.254.115]) by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id n5I0oJQS013081; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:50:19 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from smtp3.aist.go.jp by rqsmtp1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id n5I0oJ7f029251; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:50:19 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: by smtp3.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id n5I0oIr6009188; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:50:18 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MH5pa-0006fv-Nf; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:50:18 +0900 In-reply-to: <0F745F1932EF4338B8D737D20FB2B94F@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@oracle.com) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:57:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:28795 Archived-At: In article <0F745F1932EF4338B8D737D20FB2B94F@us.oracle.com>, "Drew Adams" writes: > > This is the one-line help in *Character Set List* buffer, > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Character sets for defining another charset or obsolete now > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you mean "are" instead of "or"? If so, the English (with "are") is correct. I mean "or". What I want to say is: "Character sets listed below exist: * for defining another charset, or * for backward compatibility." > If this is a statement about something being obsolete that was previously > supported, then it belongs in NEWS, not here. The text here should just help > with what is displayed - it should not try to explain why something that was > previously explained is no longer explained. > (If that's not when this statement means, then I don't know what it is saying.) > > and this is the "Charsets" node of mule.texi. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > @node Charsets > > @section Charsets > > @cindex charsets > > > > Emacs defines most of popular character sets (e.g. ascii, > > iso-8859-1, cp1250, big5, unicode) as @dfn{charsets} and a few of its > > own charsets (e.g. emacs, unicode-bmp, eight-bit). > Emacs defines most popular character sets (e.g. ascii, iso-8859-1, cp1250, big5, > unicode), as well as a few of its own (e.g. emacs, unicode-bmp, eight-bit), as > @dfn{charsets}. > [Or better: End the sentence at the comma, and use a separate sentence to say > that Emacs refers to character sets as @dfn{charsets}.] Thank you for the correction for mule.texi. But, it's not efficient that I hear you (and Jason's) comments in mail, and commit changes. Could you please directly commit the changes? Of course, I'll answer questions. > > All supported characters > All characters supported by Emacs > [As opposed to all chars supported by one or more character sets.] > > belong to one or more charsets. Usually you don't have to > > take care of ``charset'', but knowing about it may help understanding > > the behavior of Emacs in some cases. > I think something like this is what you want: > You generally do not need to pay attention to charsets as you use Emacs. > However, it can help to know a little about them. Yes. > > One example is a font selection. > One example is font selection. > [or "One example is selecting a font"] > > In each language environment, > > charsets have different priorities. Emacs, at first, tries to use a > > font that matches with charsets of higher priority. > Emacs first tries to use a font that matches charsets of higher priority. > [But why "first"? I don't see anything that counteracts this. So just "Emacs > tries".] Ok for deleting that "at first". --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org