From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
To: "Andrew W. Nosenko" <andrew.w.nosenko@gmail.com>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:45:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1MAjTy-0005aE-Iy@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6161f3180905270548t3012bc1ah161719ae01db0fb5@mail.gmail.com> (andrew.w.nosenko@gmail.com)
You can argue that it would not be "magic" or unpredictable, but
indeed based on a mode or mode-deriviation. But could you predict
(just as "stupid" user, not as mode's author), what deriviation
tree has Occur mode, for example? Or Shell Output? (Ok, I know
that Shell Command Output buffer has Fundamental mode, and what?)
Maybe you are right, all I would like to see is a compromise that the
majority of people will agree to.
The fact that Yidong, and Monnier simply disregard any discussion on
the topic is frustrating, specially since people have voiced strong
arguments for why the new behaviour is broken. Hand waving arguments
are insulting to everyone on this list.
This must be resolved before the release.
But I understand your point. Moreover, some time ago I also was
very frustrated, because convinient way for "phisical" line
navigation is no less. And solution is very simple: just give best
from both worlds: above in this thread alredy mentioned that
AquaEmacs has different bindings for C-n/C-p vs. down/up. I also
just bound "phisical" line movements to the M-down and M-up in
addition to the "visual" on down and up, and have now conventient
and similar bindings to the both movement modes.
Maybe that is an idea, bind the line-move-visual behaviour to M-n/M-p
or just the arrow keys (maybe someone suggested this already). What
do people think?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-31 11:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14 0:06 ` garyo
2009-05-14 8:51 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14 9:37 ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15 3:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15 4:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29 ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15 2:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 8:05 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 0:53 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 1:03 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25 1:59 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:34 ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2009-05-31 12:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29 ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01 2:33 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 9:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 7:24 ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36 ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56 ` bug#3438: " Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 17:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 18:26 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11 ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 20:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:00 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56 ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 22:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:57 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12 ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:23 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-02 15:59 ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-12 17:16 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45 ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-12 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13 0:19 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-13 0:19 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-12 17:16 ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 1:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 8:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 8:10 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 3:48 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 0:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 0:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 8:35 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 2:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 9:29 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 0:13 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38 ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23 ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29 4:39 ` rms
2009-05-26 9:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:17 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 6:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42 ` David Reitter
[not found] ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58 ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42 ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54 ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27 2:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17 ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14 ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20 ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15 5:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-15 7:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15 7:40 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 7:58 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16 6:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
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