From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <18970.25868.549514.194223@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20090526095247.GA2919@muc.de> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243368782 3656 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2009 20:13:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 26 22:12:59 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9318-0004AQ-TK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:12:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42523 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9318-0006a4-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9313-0006Zy-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M930x-0006VU-VG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33931 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M930x-0006VG-Li for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:51584) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M930x-0002bs-Bl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M930w-0005Tr-7D; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:46 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Lennart Borgman on Tue, 26 May 2009 14:08:38 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111127 Archived-At: > I disagree with Eli that defaults are "only" defaults: they're > the settings we impose on new users, and are critically > important.  If they're bad defaults, they could irritate and > exasperate users for months or years before those users > eventually change them.  (C-n adding new lines onto the ends of > files (which was the default in Emacs <= 20) springs to mind > here). I guess new users will in most cases appreciate the change (since it makes Emacs behave more like other editing environments), but old timers will a bit more often dislike it. Guessing is something everyone can do; instead a poll is a better measurement of what users, new and old will like or dislike.