From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:16:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243225145 28493 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 04:19:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 04:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 06:18:58 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8ReK-0006cI-JY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:18:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54025 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8ReK-0007WM-0c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:18:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Rby-0005r4-RY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:16:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Rbs-0005k3-03 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:16:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36906 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Rbr-0005k0-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:16:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:37413) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Rbr-0004iP-N2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:16:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Rbq-0003xe-NF; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:16:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 25 May 2009 06:01:25 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111066 Archived-At: Pretest is not for changing the default behavior. They are for fixing bugs before the release. And people have found that this is a bug, so they are voicing their objections again, since they were ignored last time. The time for users to voice their objections and requests for improvements is after Emacs is released. There's always the next release. The time is now, this is a regression in emacs, it is also not clear cut wherter people like it or not. It breaks several key features in emacs, like keyboard macros. It is a feature that should have been voted on before. Several people have suggested lots of good solutions, but people seem to have ignored them completely. Setting line-move-visual on a per-mode basis is a excellent middle ground that will make ALL parties happy.