* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
@ 2009-05-16 18:41 Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd
2009-05-17 4:15 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd @ 2009-05-16 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: bug-gnu-emacs
condition-case-no-debug is not documented, either in the manual or in
NEWS. Also, there's another feature that does the same thing, except
better (if uglier):
(condition-case nil (foo bar) ((debug error) nil))
This handles errors but gives the debugger a chance to run first.
condition-case-no-debug OTOH either handles errors, or lets the debugger
run but does not handle errors, depending on the value of debug-on-error.
If condition-case-no-debug should be kept, at least make it expand into
the above construct (and document it).
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
2009-05-16 18:41 bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd
@ 2009-05-17 4:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-17 17:22 ` Richard M Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-05-17 4:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: bug-gnu-emacs
> (condition-case nil (foo bar) ((debug error) nil))
> This handles errors but gives the debugger a chance to run first.
Yes, I hate this feature.
> If condition-case-no-debug should be kept, at least make it expand into
> the above construct (and document it).
So, clearly I don't want condition-case-no-debug to expand into it.
Stefan
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
2009-05-17 4:15 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2009-05-17 17:22 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-17 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Richard M Stallman @ 2009-05-17 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stefan Monnier, 3310; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs
> (condition-case nil (foo bar) ((debug error) nil))
> This handles errors but gives the debugger a chance to run first.
Yes, I hate this feature.
You don't have to use it, so why does its existence bother you?
I agree that condition-case-no-debug seems redundant.
The other feature is more flexible and more elegant.
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
2009-05-17 17:22 ` Richard M Stallman
@ 2009-05-17 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-18 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-05-17 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: 3310
>> (condition-case nil (foo bar) ((debug error) nil))
>> This handles errors but gives the debugger a chance to run first.
> Yes, I hate this feature.
> You don't have to use it, so why does its existence bother you?
Exactly because I have to pay for it even if I never use it.
Stefan
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
2009-05-17 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2009-05-18 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-18 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Richard M Stallman @ 2009-05-18 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 3310
>> (condition-case nil (foo bar) ((debug error) nil))
>> This handles errors but gives the debugger a chance to run first.
> Yes, I hate this feature.
> You don't have to use it, so why does its existence bother you?
Exactly because I have to pay for it even if I never use it.
I do not follow you. I don't think this will bother you at all
if you don't use it.
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
2009-05-18 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
@ 2009-05-18 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-22 4:36 ` Richard M Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-05-18 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: 3310
>>> (condition-case nil (foo bar) ((debug error) nil))
>>> This handles errors but gives the debugger a chance to run first.
>> Yes, I hate this feature.
>> You don't have to use it, so why does its existence bother you?
> Exactly because I have to pay for it even if I never use it.
> I do not follow you. I don't think this will bother you at all
> if you don't use it.
AFAICT its implementation has a cost even for those condition-case which
don't use the `debug' feature.
Stefan
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
2009-05-18 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2009-05-22 4:36 ` Richard M Stallman
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From: Richard M Stallman @ 2009-05-22 4:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stefan Monnier, 3310; +Cc: 3310
> I do not follow you. I don't think this will bother you at all
> if you don't use it.
AFAICT its implementation has a cost even for those condition-case which
don't use the `debug' feature.
Every feature has some cost, but I don't see why the cost of this feature
is enough to be worth worrying about.
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* bug#3310: condition-case-no-debug
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@ 2011-07-11 15:24 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-07-11 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 3310, rms
Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:
> Because condition-case-no-debug shows a simpler way to solve the same
> problem without any cost when the feature is not used (and also without
> touching any C code).
> We've been through this dicsussion. All I wanted to say is to explain
> why we're in this situation. I have no intention to get into the
> discussion again since we already agreed to disagree.
The function has a good doc string, so I think this bug report can be
closed.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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2009-05-17 4:15 ` Stefan Monnier
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2009-05-17 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
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